abenjami Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Starkiller said: It’s a new tax that offsets the costs. What is special about it? Anyway, we already have “special” taxes to cover Medicare. Who cares if it’s a “special” tax or not? It's "special" because it is a specific tax that only some people pay, for the purpose of funding a specific benefit received by all. The Medicare tax on the other hand is paid by everyone who works, not just people who earn over a certain arbitrary threshold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted February 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 9 9 9. Nine Nine Nine Nueve Nueve Nueve Simple, solves all the problems. Except when they put pencil to paper it didn't add up. Bernie isn't even suggesting you try to add it up or figure out how/if it would work. Free. Free Free Free. Freeee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Just now, abenjami said: It's "special" because it is a specific tax that only some people pay the income tax is a tax that only some people pay... Just now, abenjami said: for the purpose of funding a specific benefit received by all. Again, it merely offsets the funding. It isn’t dedicated specifically to healthcare spending so far as I know. Regardless, it has no need to be. Just now, abenjami said: The Medicare tax on the other hand is paid by everyone who works, not just people who earn over a certain arbitrary threshold. Actually, that’s just the payroll tax. Medicare recipients also pay a tax based on their income. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted February 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 The pubs get it. While the dems work on how to deal with a candidate offering free shit and sticking the Democratic party with the socialist label for years, the pubs are working on winning the EC. .https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-campaign-open-engagement-centers-woo-black-voters-15-cities-n1143601 ARLINGTON, Va. — President Trump’s re-election campaign announced Wednesday that it is planning to open 15 community centers in critical battleground states next month aimed at boosting African-American support heading into the 2020 election. “Last time it was ‘what the hell do you have to lose?’ Now, we’re going to show them what they’ve gained from President Trump and what more they could gain if they get more four years,” said White House senior adviser Jared Kushner, who continues to play a key role in the campaign’s strategic decisions. _________________________________________________________________________________________ The dems should open centers right next door detailing all the things Trump has done. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/what-did-african-americans-have-lose/594994/ “What the hell do you have to lose?” Trump said, addressing his question to black voters. The point, he said, was that African American communities were already a shambles, and their condition could only improve. The remarks drew shocked reactions at the time. Three years later, as the president attacks Representative Elijah Cummings, a Baltimore Democrat, the answer to his question is clear. Trump has sabotaged a law that guaranteed health insurance for many African Americans. He has undermined protections for voting rights. His Justice Department has stopped going after police departments that discriminated against African Americans. He has rolled back environmental protections. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 hours ago, Starkiller said: Yes, regular people will pay taxes to cover their health insurance... less than they pay now for their health insurance... What abenjami is saying is that I, a guy with a salary, will pay is greater than a douchebag trust fund baby who's never earned a cent. The former is income, the later is wealth. abenjami 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtown Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, patsplat said: What abenjami is saying is that I, a guy with a salary, will pay is greater than a douchebag trust fund baby who's never earned a cent. The former is income, the later is wealth. The problem is that other guy has always paid less...for every service. MadMax, and OILERMAN 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, patsplat said: What abenjami is saying is that I, a guy with a salary, will pay is greater than a douchebag trust fund baby who's never earned a cent. The former is income, the later is wealth. I’m sure that’s who he meant... Douchebag trust fund babies make plenty of income through their investments though, so they will still get taxed. Edited February 27, 2020 by Starkiller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 42 minutes ago, patsplat said: What abenjami is saying is that I, a guy with a salary, will pay is greater than a douchebag trust fund baby who's never earned a cent. The former is income, the later is wealth. 25 minutes ago, Starkiller said: I’m sure that’s who he meant... Douchebag trust fund babies make plenty of income through their investments though, so they will still get taxed. This is part of what I'm saying but not the whole picture. And the trust fund babies will only get taxed when they "realize" gains, not to mention their total tax is less because of the capital gains rate being lower than employment income rates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Starkiller said: Again, it merely offsets the funding. It isn’t dedicated specifically to healthcare spending so far as I know. Regardless, it has no need to be. The Bernie plan is to tax INCOME 4% over a certain income level to pay for it. Agreed it doesn't have to be that way. I think a point worth stating here is that I am against Bernie's plan, not against universal health care in general. The issue for me with Bernie's plan is how he intends to pay for it, with a specific tax that only certain people pay. Edited February 27, 2020 by abenjami Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, abenjami said: The Bernie plan is to tax INCOME 4% over a certain income level to pay for it. Agreed it doesn't have to be that way. I think a point worth stating here is that I am against Bernie's plan, not against universal health care in general. The issue for me with Bernie's plan is how he intends to pay for it, with a specific tax that only certain people pay. Ok, so he is basically just increasing the income tax rate by 4%. So how is it some special tax? Edited February 27, 2020 by Starkiller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Ok, so he is basically just increasing the income tax rate by 4%. So how is it some special tax? No. He is not increasing the income tax rate by 4% across the board. He is adding a special 4% tax that only some people have to pay and that money goes to universal health care for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, abenjami said: No. He is not increasing the income tax rate by 4% across the board. He is adding a special 4% tax that only some people have to pay and that money goes to universal health care for everyone. So, just like Medicare already is today then... If you are a Medicare recipient today and your annual income is $200k or more, you pay a tax based on that income. In a MFA system, everyone is a Medicare recipient. Thus everyone has to pay the Medicare tax if their income is high enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Starkiller said: So, just like Medicare already is today then... If you are a Medicare recipient today and your annual income is $200k or more, you pay a tax based on that income. In a MFA system, everyone is a Medicare recipient. Thus everyone has to pay the Medicare tax if their income is high enough. They aren't the same thing. Everyone, including non-medicare recipients, pays Medicare taxes on earned income. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 IMO, something that would make a ton of sense would be to make everyone pay social security and medicare taxes on all forms of income, not just earned income. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, abenjami said: They aren't the same thing. Everyone, including non-medicare recipients, pays Medicare taxes on earned income. That’s just payroll taxes. And those people aren’t even getting Medicare for all that money! But as I said, all Medicare recipients have to pay a tax based on their annual income already. So not new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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