Callidus Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Soxcat said: So what is the basis for making that judgement? What makes an offense "sophisticated"? I'd say our offense was equal in sophistication to most any offense and what is amazing is we are still running elements of LaFluer's offense. Our offense is on par with any offense in the league and Smith is not some country bumpkin stupid OC. The rest of the league understand what he is even if Brady and Titan fans don't. Now just because we like to hammer a 250 pound RB with break away speed doesn't mean our offense is unsophisticated. Actually watching Jannu Smith take a hand off on a sweep and look like Eric Dickerson was rather brilliant IMO. The jump pass from Henry to Davis was also pretty nice. The fact we were fing #1 in Red Zone efficiency (25% higher than last year) is telling (Tom Brady's Pats were 26th). Our QB hit on 70% of his passes which is not all on Tannehill although he is a big part of it. Any offense is going to be better with better players but this offense was one of the absolute best in the regular season. IMO the OC and the "sophistication" gets a big amount of the credit. The 70% completions when he averaged 10ypa is a absurd stat line. And for everyone who watched the games the number or tight window throws he made were insane. It might not have been the best as far as chunk stats ever but it was a fucking qb clinic. Soxcat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Andbeans Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 The run game and the way single plays mesh together has proven for an effective offense but that doesn't mean we're sophisticated. I dont see a lot of counter play in route concepts. We don't give a lot of freedom to WRs. If this is the route the play calls for, you run it even if there a DB and two LBs in your path. The sophistication of our offense is at the coaching level - not at the level of the players on the field. No one should be surprised that a full control QB feels we are basic in comparison to the route adjustments in his offense. JT2000 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Frank Andbeans said: The run game and the way single plays mesh together has proven for an effective offense but that doesn't mean we're sophisticated. I dont see a lot of counter play in route concepts. We don't give a lot of freedom to WRs. If this is the route the play calls for, you run it even if there a DB and two LBs in your path. The sophistication of our offense is at the coaching level - not at the level of the players on the field. No one should be surprised that a full control QB feels we are basic in comparison to the route adjustments in his offense. This is so dumb. Who cares if thr offense is "sophisticated" as long as it is effective. If we only ran 2 plays and it works would anyone give a shit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Callidus said: This is so dumb. Who cares if thr offense is "sophisticated" as long as it is effective. If we only ran 2 plays and it works would anyone give a shit? Because dumb offense isn't going to score enough points to beat KC moving forward. And pretty much everything about the offense is set for regression. Edited February 11, 2020 by abc2330 BudsOilers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 8 hours ago, OILERMAN said: Yes he was. The Titans had one of the most productive offenses in the league. Don't think those 2 things are necessarily mutually exclusive. You can have a very simple scheme that's also effective. nine, and Callidus 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Andbeans Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, reo said: Don't think those 2 things are necessarily mutually exclusive. You can have a very simple scheme that's also effective. This. The "sophistication" points towards the freedom to adjust or lack thereof for players on the offense. The Patriot offense is known for being complex and asking its WRs to make fast coverage reads and adjust their route without cues from the QB. We are not that. AJ Brown had the best year of any rookie WR in a simple offense and N'keal Harry had trouble getting on the field due to miscues. You do need some level of complexity to develop an effective drop back game. Hopefully we see more this year with Tannehill getting a full offseason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 5 hours ago, abc2330 said: Because dumb offense isn't going to score enough points to beat KC moving forward. And pretty much everything about the offense is set for regression. You really do just wanna die on this hill, don’t you? First Taywan Taylor, now this? Callidus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 I posted in another thread the NFL rank of best QB who started one game. Ryan Tannehill ranked #6 out of almost 60 QB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, StephenIsLegend said: You really do just wanna die on this hill, don’t you? First Taywan Taylor, now this? You guys are so petty. Can't even pull for a young guy who has been in the league for 5 minutes without it being held against you indefinitely. That statement was regarding his comment about a hypothetical offense with 2 plays. The tape is out on the offense, so it would be dumb to sit in the playbook and expect the same strategy to be as effective next year. And the offense is set for regression. No matter the OC. There isn't a QB in NFL history who has a followed up a season like Tannehill had with another one. He was 32nd in expected completion % , and 3rd in actual completion %, which screams over achievement and eventual regression. #1 Red zone offense, most explosive team in terms of passing AND running plays (or close), same thing. Extremely doubtful that the guy leading the team in receptions will average over 20 YPC next year. All of these things were vital to the offense being as good as it was. As far as dying on that hill, what is your comfort level with Smith if Tannehill goes down and we're back to a QB of Mariota's caliber? Or worse? You seemed to be pretty happy with him as a QB before Smith was calling plays for him, and we had moderate success for the majority of his tenure. Edited February 11, 2020 by abc2330 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h4t Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 I'm not worried about Tannehill regressing. The reason is his extreme accuracy. Other than Brees, his accuracy trumps almost all the others QB's out there in free agency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, Number9 said: I posted in another thread the NFL rank of best QB who started one game. Ryan Tannehill ranked #6 out of almost 60 QB. That is one of the dumbest sounding lists I have ever heard of. Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 I never said it was bad that our offense is simple. I'm just saying that football film junkies have said our offense is pretty simple. We don't do anything crazy. By comparison, our defensive scheme was very complex. Sorry if this offends you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 Wasn't the Pats offense known for running basically a handful of plays out of different looks? I didnt think they were known for an overly sophisticated offensive system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlurpyDurpyDo Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 What because it is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 23 hours ago, OzTitan said: Wasn't the Pats offense known for running basically a handful of plays out of different looks? I didnt think they were known for an overly sophisticated offensive system. Every play was 1 streak 2 slants a drag and a hb something. This is obviously a joke but they do run the same shit all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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