ctm Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Cornrow Wallace said: you really don't know what democratic socialism is and you're pretending that you know anything about politics? Quit avoiding the question and enlighten us. Tell us what Bernie's plan is, separate from just passing new laws to fund his programs. Is this what Bernie is talking about? If not, what is he talking about? "I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks and major industries," Sanders told the Burlington Free Press in October 1976.... https://reason.com/2019/03/14/bernie-sanders-wanted-public-ownership-o/ Edited February 27, 2020 by ctm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornrow Wallace Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Just now, ctm said: Quit avoiding the question and enlighten us. Tell us what Bernie's plan is, separate from just passing new laws to fund his programs. New laws are how things change in America if you don't remember 3rd grade... stop being dishonest with yourself and asking dumb questions and maybe go do some reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Cornrow Wallace said: New laws are how things change in America if you don't remember 3rd grade... stop being dishonest with yourself and asking dumb questions and maybe go do some reading. Well its obvious now you can't or won't answer what Bernie vision of his socialism actually involves. I've asked numerous times. When you can't answer, resort to insults.....great way to unify democrats. Edited February 27, 2020 by ctm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, Number9 said: Andrew Yang had better idea. Give everybody 1000$ per month. They can pay their student loans with it. I'm all for it... Problem is, this needs to come AFTER some serious regulation is imposed. Otherwise, the bloodsuckers at the top will just charge $1000 more per month and the people at the bottom won't be a bit better off. Greedy fuckers. Number9, Pragidealist, and Cornrow Wallace 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornrow Wallace Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, ctm said: Well its obvious now you can't or won't answer what Bernie vision of his socialism actually involves. I've asked numerous times. When you can't answer, resort to insults.....great way to unify democrats. you're in here requesting an education on the basics of democratic socialism on the titans report dot com message board when you can easily educate yourself through the power of the internet (which was created through government funding) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, ctm said: Any of the proposals. That's what it takes.....new law. You're still avoiding my question. Why do we need socialism and what does it look like? But it's not you. It's really Bernie and @Cornrow Wallace. He's great about talking about the problem, but he can't tell us his solution....other than legislation. No, he's not. The depth of his analysis has been the "system is broken". No insight as to what is broken. If you can't define what's broken, you can't fix it. I suspect a lot of Bernie Bros have no deeper insight than his. Pragidealist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Starkiller said: What does FDR have to do with this??? You talking about the man that couldn't fix the economy in a decade, but needed a world war to do his job? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 39 minutes ago, Number9 said: Andrew Yang had better idea. Give everybody 1000$ per month. They can pay their student loans with it. I'm actually more for this than free college (though it shouldn't be able to be used or purchase for loans). I think a day will come - and it may be closer than you think- were efficiencies in AI and robotics remove the need for most jobs. Then all of the money will go to big companies that hold those robotics and jobs. If we migrate that direction- there will be a need for a base way of living. People may have to learn to be productive without a labor type job. This sounds crazy but AI and robotics are already creeping into jobs like legal, healthcare, and finance. Robotics has been taking over for labor jobs for years and continues in that direction. Its going to take engineer's to fix cars and fix AI systems rather than mechanics. That could be a good thing if we can find a way to deal with the loss of the need for human jobs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Cornrow Wallace said: maybe, just maybe, running on popular policies that the majority of Americans support is how he's going to win the presidency what a crazy, radical idea Yeah, obviously. That's why I pointed it out. I'm not against Bernie in general or anything but I think he will have a difficult time putting some of these proposals into action if he wins. They're outlandish. Pragidealist, and Number9 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Mythos27 said: Ok, so people are too petty to be OK with forgiving existing student loans. I think it's stupid but fine. Petty? What the fuck is this? Well, okay then, why don't we call for all debt forgiveness? You agreed to your debt just like I did mine. So what about it? 2 hours ago, Mythos27 said: What about making public schools tuition free going forward so we don't burden the next generation with even more debt? Who feels slighted by that too? I have no problem with this, but would probably find resistance. First thing I'd do is reverse the law that student debt cannot go under bankruptcy. Fewer people would have access to the loans, but it would clean up a lot of the problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Cornrow Wallace said: you're in here requesting an education on the basics of democratic socialism on the titans report dot com message board when you can easily educate yourself through the power of the internet (which was created through government funding) I have an education...a degree in Political science and economics. I've asked numerous times what is Bernie's version of socialism and you've done everything possible to avoid answering. Edited February 27, 2020 by ctm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Just now, Rogue said: First thing I'd do is reverse the law that student debt cannot go under bankruptcy. Fewer people would have access to the loans, but it would clean up a lot of the problems. This is a terrible idea. Everyone would just file bankruptcy right after they cashed their last student loan check. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornrow Wallace Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Rogue said: No, he's not. The depth of his analysis has been the "system is broken". No insight as to what is broken. If you can't define what's broken, you can't fix it. I suspect a lot of Bernie Bros have no deeper insight than his. The #1 issue is that our government is controlled by wealthy corporations (and is also full of corruption) Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Just now, ctm said: I have an education...a degree in Political science. I've asked numerous times what is Bernie's version of socialism and you've done everything possible to avoid answering. Sort of like when I asked him to explain what the "problem" is and his response was it's obvious (with no explanation). Rogue, Number9, IsntLifeFunny, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornrow Wallace Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, ctm said: I have an education...a degree in Political science and economics. I've asked numerous times what is Bernie's version of socialism and you've done everything possible to avoid answering. hopefully they refunded your tuition fees! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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