TerryBoats Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, scine09 said: I understand that. And I am for keeping him. But if you read this board you'd think we're talking about someone on Patrick Mahomes's level. We're not. I've probably said this 10 times. If the Titans choose to move on, whether it be for Brady or someone else, there's a reason for it. They've seen this guy in practice. They know exactly what he is capable of. Or at least they have as good an idea as anyone. If they choose not to re-sign him it's because they think that last year was a mirage and helped out a great deal by the running game and that it came be replicated by someone else. And that if the running game is shut down that he can't carry the team. I think there are legit arguments on both sides of this. As well as on Brady. He just had a higher QB rating than Mahomes ever had in his career. He had nearly as many TDs in 4 fewer games. Edited February 21, 2020 by abc2330 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, abc2330 said: He just had a higher QB rating than Mahomes ever had in his career. Which tells you everything you need to know about QB rating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Righteous Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, smokeater said: Toxic situation in Miami. It’s obviously not a toxic situation in NE. We got very lucky. Right because of all the QB’s available, Tannehill is the only franchise QB. This fan base is delusional. Tell me how many QB’s who were paid for 1 year of success panned out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, scine09 said: Which tells you everything you need to know about QB rating. That guys with high numbers are good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Righteous Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, abc2330 said: Why were Suh, Landry,Stills, Tunsil, and Fitzpatrick available? The owner answered this question. What they were doing wasn't working and they weren't winning, so they blew up a bunch of contracts , got what they could and started over. Not playing this game with you. The statement was if Brady was a franchise QB, he wouldn’t be available. The same logic goes for every other QB in FA right now then, including Tannehill. And Brady is choosing to leave. Tannehill was traded. The real statement should be if Tannehill was a franchise QB he wouldn’t have been traded (for a 4th and the team ate much of the salary). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, abc2330 said: That guys with high numbers are good? It's a relatively meaningless stat. Always has been. I don't feel like having this argument again. So if the Chiefs decided they'd trade Mahomes for Tannehill straight up you're say no, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Righteous said: Not playing this game with you. The statement was if Brady was a franchise QB, he wouldn’t be available. The same logic goes for every other QB in FA right now then, including Tannehill. And Brady is choosing to leave. Tannehill was traded. The real statement should be if Tannehill was a franchise QB he wouldn’t have been traded (for a 4th and the team ate much of the salary). Is Brees a franchise QB? His former team let him walk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Righteous Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, abc2330 said: Is Brees a franchise QB? His former team let him walk. When did that happen? TerryBoats 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeater Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, scine09 said: I understand that. And I am for keeping him. But if you read this board you'd think we're talking about someone on Patrick Mahomes's level. We're not. I've probably said this 10 times. If the Titans choose to move on, whether it be for Brady or someone else, there's a reason for it. They've seen this guy in practice. They know exactly what he is capable of. Or at least they have as good an idea as anyone. If they choose not to re-sign him it's because they think that last year was a mirage and helped out a great deal by the running game and that it came be replicated by someone else. And that if the running game is shut down that he can't carry the team. I think there are legit arguments on both sides of this. As well as on Brady. Sure, in reality I can’t argue with a lot of what you say here. The overstatedness is just because guys are trying to make a point on the internet-you overstate it to get your point across to someone who disagrees-happens a lot in the world today. scine09 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 The Brees situation is not even remotely the same. Here's what happened with Brees. He was drafted in the second round, didn't show much in his first three years so he wasn't getting the benefit of the doubt since the Chargers had their pick of QBs and he wasn't a first round pick to begin with, then he had a great year so the Chargers had to make a decision. Then he gets hurt in 2005 which made the decision easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, BudAdams said: I do find it interesting that many of the pro Brady folks were Mariota nut huggers...... Seeing Brady as a viable alternative to Tannehill is about Brady's resume, not Mariota's. Fwiw, I'm not pro Brady or pro Tannehill. I don't have a dog in the fight either way. My dog got his hind legs ran over by some mean bastard ass mail carrier, who I hope gets bitten by a rabid pit bull. So anyway, I'm good with whoever JRob decides is a better fit. He's earned the benefit of doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socaltitan Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, abc2330 said: Is Brees a franchise QB? His former team let him walk. They let him walk because they drafted Philip Rivers. Brees also sustained a torn labrum in week 17. There were questions about his future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, scine09 said: It's a relatively meaningless stat. Always has been. I don't feel like having this argument again. So if the Chiefs decided they'd trade Mahomes for Tannehill straight up you're say no, right? That's A really dumb argument, tbh. Maybe if you compare QB ratings now to those of which 20 years ago, but it's anything but meaningless. Anyone would trade anything for a young guy with Mahomes talent and upside. But he's also playing for one of the best offensive coaches of all time. For Tannehill to put up similar efficiency and production numbers per snap on an offense which was such a slouch before he took over is extremely impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socaltitan Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 37 minutes ago, Jonboy said: Statistically, he was among the best. He was. But should 10 regular season games playing for a new contract overlook the fact that he was mostly mediocre the previous 7 seasons? I'm all for keeping Tannehill, but I can also see why you'd want to hedge your bets on him at this point on jim truly being a franchise QB. Nick Foles got hot at the right time and rode a SB win to a big contract. Now he's on the bench. rugbyflank, and DCTitan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, abc2330 said: That's A really dumb argument, tbh. Maybe if you compare QB ratings now to those of which 20 years ago, but it's anything but meaningless. Anyone would trade anything for a young guy with Mahomes talent and upside. But he's also playing for one of the best offensive coaches of all time. For Tannehill to put up similar efficiency and production numbers per snap on an offense which was such a slouch before he took over is extremely impressive. Who is better? Tannehill or Mahomes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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