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I fucking hate this board sometimes. 

No, this is not a bash on Tannehill thread. Dude was money for most of the games he played in, at least for what we asked of him. And no, this is not a call to let him go to free agency. He's earned a

Man you guys turn on a dime.

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5 minutes ago, Righteous said:

Wow, he put up a better season than Vince Young, Kerry Collins, Jake Locker, Matt Hasselbeck, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Marcus Mariota, Zach Mettenberger, Billy Volek.  Sounds like a great QB to me.  Geez!  As I said, this love affair with Tannehill is purely emotional based on the run in the playoffs and our desperation for a decent QB.  It’s not our money but signing a mediocre QB to a huge contract will hamper this organization for a long time.  It would be just as detrimental to the organization as drafting the wrong QB, just like  Young, Locker and Mariota.  Some people are tired of mediocre decisions at QB.  Finally this is Robinson time to take a shot at the position and get it right.  It won’t be a short sighted emotional decision.

 

Actually, Tannehill had a year better than Steve's in 2003 in terms of Passer Rating, YPA, Completion %, TD%, Red Zone production, PPG....... 

 

The Titans are going to spend QB market money on a QB, whether it's Tannehill, Brady, Rivers, etc.  The idea that Brady is going to accept less than market is pretty comical too and even the best case scenario is for a couple of years.....

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5 minutes ago, Righteous said:

How hard was it to find Tannehill last year.  Game managers are a dime a dozen.

 

Game manager isn't an HDMI cable you just plug into our offense.

 

It has to be a fit. Jared Goff is a game manager. Jimmy Garropolo is a game manager. What makes them different from Josh Allen or Mitchell Trubisky?

 

Mariota was a game manager. Why were we so bad with him? 

 

I think you're missing a lot of nuance with this because you've put a label on Tannehill.

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5 minutes ago, Righteous said:

The offense scored 14 points.  

 

We beat the New England Patriots one of the top teams and defenses in the AFC. We did it because ultimately Belichick had to risk playing into our strength because our supposed weakness led to too many explosive plays.

 

ie. Our average QB somehow does a lot with play action passing. Which forces teams to play us a certain way.

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Titans were 6 in offensive rating

Tannehill was #1 in passer rating

Tannehill was #2 in TD%

Titans were #2 in explosive pass rate

Tannehill tied for throwing the least amount of INTs of starters with 6 total

 

Some sources

https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/explosive-play-rankings--off-.html

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/team-offense/2019

 

 

Yeah that screams mediocre and average. 

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Bottom line @Tomachek and @Righteous you can't pay backup money for a QB who KNOWS he'll be the starter. The market is too smart for that.

 

Once you need a starting QB, you're paying starter money ... period.

 

The need sets the value not so much the talent. So, it becomes about fit and how to manage the stupid numbers the player is going to get.

 

The type of deal you guys wants means the QBs that come to our squad will be told there is no guarantee they'll be a starter and it'll be a training camp battle between them and other below average QBs.

 

Do you want that after a AFC Conference appearance?

 

Just like with Henry we're in a corner.

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1 minute ago, big2033 said:

Bottom line @Tomachek and @Righteous you can't pay backup money for a QB who KNOWS he'll be the starter. The market is too smart for that.

 

Once you need a starting QB, you're paying starter money ... period.

 

The need sets the value not so much the talent. So, it becomes about fit and how to manage the stupid numbers the player is going to get.

Wait till they see what Prescott is gonna get and Tannehill is better than him 

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2 minutes ago, headhunter said:

Wait till they see what Prescott is gonna get and Tannehill is better than him 

 

But ironically Prescott is actually a good fit for the offense.....

 

The scheme and personnel are specifically built for the Titans to play the way they do.  If you want to morph into a passing oriented offense, you better change out the guards and RT, let Henry walk in FA, get a new OC.....

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14 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

We beat the New England Patriots one of the top teams and defenses in the AFC. We did it because ultimately Belichick had to risk playing into our strength because our supposed weakness led to too many explosive plays.

 

ie. Our average QB somehow does a lot with play action passing. Which forces teams to play us a certain way.

He did exactly what he planned to do.  He underestimated our defense being able to stop their offense.  This game does not highlight the need for Tannehill at all.  Please stop.

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18 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

Game manager isn't an HDMI cable you just plug into our offense.

 

It has to be a fit. Jared Goff is a game manager. Jimmy Garropolo is a game manager. What makes them different from Josh Allen or Mitchell Trubisky?

 

Mariota was a game manager. Why were we so bad with him? 

 

I think you're missing a lot of nuance with this because you've put a label on Tannehill.

Allen and Trubisky don’t have a run game.  

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Just now, Righteous said:

He did exactly what he planned to do.  He underestimated our defense being able to stop their offense.  This game does not highlight the need for Tannehill at all.  Please stop.

 

The fact he had to negate ANYTHING that Tannehill wanted to do highlights his strengths.

 

Do we NEED him ... maybe not. But the alternatives to force anyone to not want to be beat by big play action plays aren't as plug and play as you're presenting.

 

And you know that.

 

Again, you guys haven't given many alternatives that won't command the money Tannehill will command. It seems you're just frustrated with the process not so much us paying a player.

 

We're screwed either way.

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12 minutes ago, big2033 said:

Bottom line @Tomachek and @Righteous you can't pay backup money for a QB who KNOWS he'll be the starter. The market is too smart for that.

 

Once you need a starting QB, you're paying starter money ... period.

 

The need sets the value not so much the talent. So, it becomes about fit and how to manage the stupid numbers the player is going to get.

 

The type of deal you guys wants means the QBs that come to our squad will be told there is no guarantee they'll be a starter and it'll be a training camp battle between them and other below average QBs.

 

Do you want that after a AFC Conference appearance?

 

Just like with Henry we're in a corner.

I agree 100%.  We were in this same place before.  Kerry Collins demanded a new contract and a guaranteed starting position after the 2008, 13-3 season.  We obliged and he started 0-6 and was replaced by VY who went 8-2.  What QB decision should we make then?

 

Everything went perfect this year with Tannehill.  Goal line stop against SD, Crazy ending against KC, block for score at Indy, Houston sitting starters, etc.  It won’t go like that next year and Tannehill doesn’t have the talent you think.  It was a good year where things went well.

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