japan Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 hours ago, reb9000tn said: Logan Lives! Joel has to be thrilled... NashvilleKat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OILERMAN Posted January 26, 2021 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 1/19/2020 at 4:53 PM, OILERMAN said: Vrabel is more offensively conservative than Fisher or Mularkey. Almost comically so. The Titans run the ball and run the ball on 1st down at a level you just don't see in the NFL. Warren Sharpe predicted the Titans would flop because of it. He was wrong about them flopping but he wasn't wrong overall, but more about that in a second. There were times this season when I knew it was a losing formula but they overcame it or won doing it. Today the way the KC defense was playing I really think the Titans could have taken control by going for the kill and staying aggressive. They would have at least made it a better game. Here is what should scare us. This conservative strategy got the Titans to the AFC title game because the redzone offense, running game and efficiency were at an unsustainable historic level. Not only is it impossible to duplicate this but Vrabel seems to think it's the way to go. Th running game and redzone offense will likely not be this great again. If Vrabel doesn't adapt then they'll never advance this far again. After the loss to KC cenj, rns90, smokeater, and 3 others 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramis Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, OILERMAN said: After the loss to KC You could replace KC with Baltimore in that post and I honestly wouldn’t know it was over a year old.... Edited January 26, 2021 by Aramis OILERMAN, rns90, and oldschool 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Oman, if you used your prophetic abilities for something other than titans football you’d be very rich. cenj, and OILERMAN 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 I actually think the offense will get even more conservative this year if we promote from within. Former_Fan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeater Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Aramis said: You could replace KC with Baltimore in that post and I honestly wouldn’t it was over a year old.... Yeah, I think somewhere last year I posted it was a learning experience for Vrabel and he would adapt......uh-oh. This is also why, as crazy as it sounds, the flash plays and success that DH has had can actually be a detriment in the playoffs when you hit those good teams that decide to sell out to stop the run. The coaches feel like they just have to keep giving him chances over and over. Then you add that to a bad defense and here we are. Aramis, and rns90 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 I like Vrabel but cannot get around the VR spelling in his name - anyone know if he has any plans to change the spelling? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaTitan Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) Turns out the redzone offense and running game were that great again. Edited January 27, 2021 by TampaTitan OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Thrill said: Oman, if you used your prophetic abilities for something other than titans football you’d be very rich. Define "Very rich"? ctm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakingeek Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 We ran on first AND second down a lot which put us in third and long frequently. I'd rather see more play action and designed QB runs on first and second down. The problem is I don't see that changing much with a new OC. Vrabel might keep a stranglehold on the play calling. He is great with the players and preparation and promotes a great locker room and manages the game very well but he needs to give his coordinators more leeway to do their jobs. DCTitan, and smokeater 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, freakingeek said: We ran on first AND second down a lot which put us in third and long frequently. I'd rather see more play action and designed QB runs on first and second down. The problem is I don't see that changing much with a new OC. Vrabel might keep a stranglehold on the play calling. He is great with the players and preparation and promotes a great locker room and manages the game very well but he needs to give his coordinators more leeway to do their jobs. The big imbalance was first down. They were the most run heavy team on 1st down (35% pass/65% run). The league average is 50/50. On second down, they were 50/50 (3rd most run heavy) but the league average was 58%. 3rd down was 77% pass (league average was 75%). If they simply become balanced on 1st down, it fixes the issue. The problem is that it does not maximize the skill set of Henry, who's a 2 down back. freakingeek, sunworshipper, rns90, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 42 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: The big imbalance was first down. They were the most run heavy team on 1st down (35% pass/65% run). The league average is 50/50. On second down, they were 50/50 (3rd most run heavy) but the league average was 58%. 3rd down was 77% pass (league average was 75%). If they simply become balanced on 1st down, it fixes the issue. The problem is that it does not maximize the skill set of Henry, who's a 2 down back. This is the crux of the issue. Is it Vrabel or the 2 OCs who have worked for him in 3 years? In my opinion is Vrabel. Warren Sharp has tons of data that shows 1st down is by far the best down to pass due to defenses being in their base defensive sets. It sounds counterintuitive but can you imagine how much better the Titans offense would be if they were 50/50 on 1st down and Henry was a 1200 yard RB? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 29 minutes ago, oldschool said: This is the crux of the issue. Is it Vrabel or the 2 OCs who have worked for him in 3 years? In my opinion is Vrabel. Warren Sharp has tons of data that shows 1st down is by far the best down to pass due to defenses being in their base defensive sets. It sounds counterintuitive but can you imagine how much better the Titans offense would be if they were 50/50 on 1st down and Henry was a 1200 yard RB? I think it's a combination of factors - Vrabel is certainly one. The skill sets of Henry and the OL personnel as well. The offense would be better, and even now it's very good, if they moved towards a 50/50 split. Hopefully the Ravens playoff game loss will resonate more than the KC one, where objectively the Chiefs were the better team all around AND the Titans were spent. smokeater, DCTitan, IsntLifeFunny, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, oldschool said: This is the crux of the issue. Is it Vrabel or the 2 OCs who have worked for him in 3 years? In my opinion is Vrabel. Warren Sharp has tons of data that shows 1st down is by far the best down to pass due to defenses being in their base defensive sets. It sounds counterintuitive but can you imagine how much better the Titans offense would be if they were 50/50 on 1st down and Henry was a 1200 yard RB? Vrabel will eventually leave behind his run on first down bullshit. It's up to him whether he chooses that path or it's chosen for him. Aramis 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 hours ago, BudsOilers said: They were the most run heavy team on 1st down (35% pass/65% run). Absolutely ridiculous Aramis 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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