Callidus Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, 9 Nines said: I think Mariota will "regress" more. I fear 2 see what that would look like for whoever he plays 4. Seriously, worse than this season mariota would make my eyes bleed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oilertattoo Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, PhinFan1968 said: Why wouldn't you sign a QB to a franchise deal, if he gives you "the means to compete in every single game?" Why would it be foolish to make a long-term bet on that? This is the NFL in the age of social media. Everyone thinks they are right or has some sort inside info. Is Tannehill Brees or Keenum? We will find out. The only potential story I give a shit about right now is the one where Tannehill gets to play another game in Miami this year. Of course, it could all go to shit in 3 weeks or less. Edited December 10, 2019 by Oilertattoo smokeater, and PhinFan1968 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 If you look at Sando's rankings right now we're primarily asking Tannehill to be a Tier 3 QB and he's flourishing. He's only passed more than 30 times twice and one was a loss to Carolina. I think the more you ask him to do a drop back passing offense the worse he's going to look. That said what are the alternatives? Older options like Brady or Rivers (pretty meh at this point) or a similar player in Dalton who is more of an unknown because at least Tannehill has had success here. Quote A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game. A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defense to win. A lower-volume passing offense makes his job easier. A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player with some upside or a veteran who is ultimately best suited as a backup. Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhinFan1968 Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Titans279 said: If you look at Sando's rankings right now we're primarily asking Tannehill to be a Tier 3 QB and he's flourishing. He's only passed more than 30 times twice and one was a loss to Carolina. I think the more you ask him to do a drop back passing offense the worse he's going to look. That said what are the alternatives? Older options like Brady or Rivers (pretty meh at this point) or a similar player in Dalton who is more of an unknown because at least Tannehill has had success here. Based on those descriptions, I'd say he's Tier 2...based on watching him over the years. So I guess it would be natural he'd do very well in a Tier 3 situation. Which is not to say he can't progress to Tier 1...others have, late in their career as a Tier 2. smokeater, and Callidus 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) A realistic view of Tannehill right now is he's a better Goff for us. Will he regress like Goff or maintain this level of play off play action? You can win a lot of games this way. It's not a bad reason to pay a QB. Edited December 10, 2019 by big2033 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 Honestly I’d say he’s upper Tier 2 but he is producing at Tier 1 levels. rns90, smokeater, PhinFan1968, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post reo Posted December 10, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 The guy talks about MM and Tannehill basically being the same guy b/c they hold the ball but it's why they hold the ball that's the huge difference. Same w/ when he looks at the percentage of intermediate passes (can't remember if this is completion percentage or throw percentage and can't check on my work pc).... it doesn't actually define the problem. It just says there's a difference. MM holds the ball b/c he's afraid of turnovers and afraid to cut it lose. Tannehill isn't afraid to let it fly. He's holding it while waiting for someone to come open. The difference being MM had trouble executing the offense b/c he wouldn't take chances. Tannehill will execute the offense if his teammates get open. And then there's the part about Henry. He just says Henry won't continue to produce 150 yards per game... No, he won't. What will happen is teams will start to stack the box against Henry and odds are, they'll slow him down. Then Tannehill will be able to run play action effectively and throw for 390 like vs Oakland. They're connected. It's just one of those articles that looks too much at stats and not enough at context imo. Stats are cool but context is king. PhinFan1968, smokeater, C_Train, and 3 others 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhinFan1968 Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, BudAdams said: Honestly I’d say he’s upper Tier 2 but he is producing at Tier 1 levels. Definitely has some Tier 1 traits...but a true Tier 1 QB is pretty rare IMO. I'd say Rodgers, Wilson, Brees...and they were drafted years apart. I DO however, believe if he spends enough time comfortably as a Tier 2, he can progress to Tier 1. He's always learning/improving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 But take Wilson for example. Great player and almost assuredly a HOF QB. He’s far more effective throwing it 25-30 times a game with elite efficiency with an effective run game. When Seattle is throwing it a ton, their passing offense isn’t nearly as efficient. I actually think a good comp for Tannehill is Vikings Kirk Cousins but with more athleticism. Thrill 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 Tannehill isn't being asked to handle pure passing situations very much at all. I don't think he can be considered Tier 1 in a run heavy offense based off play action where he's averaging 27 attempts per game. rns90, and big2033 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Titans279 said: Tannehill isn't being asked to handle pure passing situations very much at all. I don't think he can be considered Tier 1 in a run heavy offense based off play action where he's averaging 27 attempts per game. By that definition, Wilson isn’t Tier 1 either. I know this. The Titans were 2-4 with the 27th scoring offense with PT and are 6-1 with the 2nd highest scoring offense with Tannehill. They absolutely are winning because of him. Edited December 10, 2019 by BudAdams DrFlamehead, IsntLifeFunny, smokeater, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) My biggest question/concern is what happens to the offense w/o Henry? The offense as is, WITH Henry, is outstanding. Further, missing receivers (Davis, Humphries, Sharpe, Walker, etc) doesn't seem to be a big deal. Edited December 10, 2019 by CreepingDeath TitanTez 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, BudAdams said: By that definition, Wilson isn’t Tier 1 either. I know this. The Titans were 2-4 with the 27th scoring offense with PT and are 6-1 with the 2nd highest scoring offense with Tannehill. They absolutely are winning because of him. Wilson has a long history of efficiency and handling the passing game in pass heavy situations. When Lynch was let go the Seahawks didn't have a run game for 1-2 seasons. Wilson has carried the Seahawks numerous times. PhinFan1968, rns90, and Titans279 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, Titans279 said: Tannehill isn't being asked to handle pure passing situations very much at all. I don't think he can be considered Tier 1 in a run heavy offense based off play action where he's averaging 27 attempts per game. He's borderline tier 2 for me. I haven't seen him enough (in TEN) to make a definitive judgement as well. Titans279 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, CreepingDeath said: Further, missing receivers (Davis, Humphries, Sharpe, Walker, etc) doesn't seem to be a big deal. This is a positive in Tannehill's favor (ie elevating talent around him). He seems to spread the ball around as well to different recievers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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