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JRob has a mixed track record so far, but he did get the personnel for Pees to have a top 5 defense. That suggests that with a good QB and a good offensive coach, he might have gathered enough talent for a much better offense. 

 

In other words, JRob has earned some rope. Vrabel on the other hand might hang himself unless he agrees to fire his offensive staff and allow a new OC to come in and run a modern system, one without Vrabel's micro-managing hands.

 

Although for the record, I'm not down on Arthur Smith as much as some. I need to see more from him with a competent QB. 

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He's probably starting to fear he botched the coaching hire.

Mularkey wasn't as bad a coach as some made him out to be here but he was a baby back bitch and straight 'crybabied' his way out of multiple jobs.  

Careful what you wish for. For all of his faults, he put together the team that got to within one game of a Super Bowl. The last thing we need is a pissed off & motivated JRob, who has also learne

3 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

J-Rob has absolutely failed regarding the OL. There is no question about it. He did more to try to address it this off-season but he royally messed it up last off season by thinking that the inside trio of Spain, Jones, and Kline was good enough. I had high hopes for Nate Davis but that seems to have been a swing and a miss and we pretty clearly overpaid for Saffold as Quinton Spain is having a really good season for the Bills and literally just made PFF's team of the week by posting a grade of 80.7. 

Spain is ranked lower than Saffold while playing some of the shittiest teams known to man.  Washington, Miami, NYJ, NYG.  Everyone would be bitching about him and how he should have been replaced if he were still here.  I agree that we should expect more, but a player excelling elsewhere and struggling on offense here should fall on someone else, like our shitty OC.

 

If we go by PFF, we've had 2 top 5 OLs (including #1), another top 10 OL, and we are still in the top half of the league at the last ranking despite always being in shitty situations because of our shitty OC.  If he's failed anywhere, it's not making quality offensive coaching a top priority.

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13 minutes ago, abc2330 said:

Spain is ranked lower than Saffold while playing some of the shittiest teams known to man.  Washington, Miami, NYJ, NYG.  Everyone would be bitching about him and how he should have been replaced if he were still here.  I agree that we should expect more, but a player excelling elsewhere and struggling on offense here should fall on someone else, like our shitty OC.

 

If we go by PFF, we've had 2 top 5 OLs (including #1), another top 10 OL, and we are still in the top half of the league at the last ranking despite always being in shitty situations because of our shitty OC.  If he's failed anywhere, it's not making quality offensive coaching a top priority.

Spain is rated 1 point lower than Saffold and rice cost a fraction of the price. I would gladly reverse that move since we're clearly going to need the resources to fix this mess. Both Lewan and Conklin have struggled big time despite being rated as "starters" by pff. The OL is massively underperforming and everyone can see it. You can choose to blame the forget QB and the new OC. I blame the guys themselves for not playing up to their open standards. They sucked under Lafleur most of last year too and were even worse at creating running room than they are this season. At some point the excuses gotta run out. 

 

IMO last game the OL made Smith look bad, not the other way around.

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2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Spain is rated 1 point lower than Saffold and rice cost a fraction of the price. I would gladly reverse that move since we're clearly going to need the resources to fix this mess. Both Lewan and Conklin have struggled big time despite being rated as "starters" by pff. The OL is massively underperforming and everyone can see it. You can choose to blame the forget QB and the new OC. I blame the guys themselves for not playing up to their open standards. They sucked under Lafleur most of last year too and were even worse at creating running room than they are this season. At some point the excuses gotta run out. 

 

IMO last game the OL made Smith look bad, not the other way around.

So does PFF count, or not?  You can't use it to claim that Spain is having a very good season then say it's inaccurate because it doesn't align with what you see.  

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1 minute ago, abc2330 said:

So does PFF count, or not?  You can't use it to claim that Spain is having a very good season then say it's inaccurate because it doesn't align with what you see.  

I didn't say PFF is inaccurate or invalid. I'm saying that it's not the only factor than can be used. Spain is a ridiculously cheap UDFA that is playing at the same level as our highly priced FA acquisition. He's playing well. Saffold started off really rocky and he's doing better now but I'd still take the guy who is playing at the same level for a fraction of the price. Here I'll ask you this; if the Titans knew (before they signed Saffold) that that Saffold and Spain would have a nearly identical PFF grade the following season, do you think they would've let Spain walk and paid top dollar for Saffold? You know the answer. 

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7 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

J-Rob has absolutely failed regarding the OL. There is no question about it. He did more to try to address it this off-season but he royally messed it up last off season by thinking that the inside trio of Spain, Jones, and Kline was good enough. I had high hopes for Nate Davis but that seems to have been a swing and a miss and we pretty clearly overpaid for Saffold as Quinton Spain is having a really good season for the Bills and literally just made PFF's team of the week by posting a grade of 80.7. 

 

I would not say that at all, although he should have shored up the RG spot more. 

 

We have probably the most talented OL overall in the entire league, not sure how he has failed. 

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9 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

I would not say that at all, although he should have shored up the RG spot more. 

 

We have probably the most talented OL overall in the entire league, not sure how he has failed. 


What makes you think it’s still the most talented?

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Dallas?

 

I think you can’t say most talented at this point. You’re leaning way to much on accomplishments from years ago at this point. 
 

Lewan seems to be struggling without his PED’s and Conklin hasn’t been that good since his rookie year. 
 

Jones has a 68.3 from PFF which is below their starter level grade. He’s fine but not great. 
 

RG is obviously a huge problem. 
 

Saffold has past accolades but I think we’re seeing his limitations this year. He isn’t an elite G because of his limitations. 

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4 minutes ago, Titans279 said:

Dallas?

 

I think you can’t say most talented at this point. You’re leaning way to much on accomplishments from years ago at this point. 
 

Lewan seems to be struggling without his PED’s and Conklin hasn’t been that good since his rookie year. 
 

Jones has a 68.3 from PFF which is below their starter level grade. He’s fine but not great. 
 

RG is obviously a huge problem. 
 

Saffold has past accolades but I think we’re seeing his limitations this year. He isn’t an elite G because of his limitations. 

 

Yeah, overall Dallas is probably more talented. But they may be the only one. 

 

I think the issue with Saffold is subtle scheme changes and a difference in required technique and coaching styles, as he has said. 

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I think JR is safe for now, but the offensive failures are tantamount to a fireable offence. Finding a new QB is going to occupy his working days, but he has a lot of work to do and is probably in a death spiral on the matter.

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8 hours ago, cenj said:

JRob has a mixed track record so far, but he did get the personnel for Pees to have a top 5 defense. That suggests that with a good QB and a good offensive coach, he might have gathered enough talent for a much better offense. 

 

In other words, JRob has earned some rope. Vrabel on the other hand might hang himself unless he agrees to fire his offensive staff and allow a new OC to come in and run a modern system, one without Vrabel's micro-managing hands.

 

Although for the record, I'm not down on Arthur Smith as much as some. I need to see more from him with a competent QB. 

 

Exactly where I'm at 

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Does Vrabel even have much of a say in OC? If JR is running the show then probably not. I guess he can quit if he doesn't like it. Any OC change will surely come with a condition that Vrabel is done making calls on offense.

 

Smith and the offense will have to finish really strong for a move not to be made. Even if he isn't a big problem I think it will be hard to sell 2020 without some fundamental change on offense, and OC is always prime for that.

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