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Good Marcus vs Bad Marcus

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2 hours ago, Jas said:

 

How long did he stand there in the first video?  Second play should have been the same.  This play is designed to get the first down - he isn't waiting on a longer route for a TD.  He should have known to throw to Brown pre-snap based on the 1 on 1 and the DB cushion.  Also pre-snap, he can see there are more bodies in the middle of the field, so there is no point looking there.  There is absolutely nothing to think about here - take the easy completion for the first down.  The ball should come out as soon as his back foot plants.  Did you even bother watching both videos?

 

The DB who presses the slot is why he hesitated. He saw him hand off a receiver and expected he was in zone, which is different than the Davis play. I agree he still has to unleash, but since he’s so conservative in his mind he saw a potential pick 6. 

 

Also, you have to note Saffold got his ass handed to him in the worst kind of way. He was put on skates. Just a terrible play only made more so by the no call on the face mask. Good to see you back. 

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3 hours ago, Jas said:

Did you even bother watching both videos?

 

Yes, I did. Repeatedly.

 

Two posts I've made about this play in other threads:

 

Before the coaches film

 

 

After the coaches film

 

 

/justmy2cents

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The route concept and coverage are virtually identical on both plays.     The Bills' CB is 7 yards off the LOS instead of 9 yards, so the pre-snap read  is slightly more compressed...but otherwise, both plays are virtually identical.     

 

On play 2, AJB has way more separation than Davis does on play 1.  (More on this in a moment.)   If Marcus throws it as soon as his back foot hits,  then the ball arrives as AJB is coming out of his cut.  If that happens, then it's okay that Saffold gets his ass whipped....because the ball is already out.

 

When Marcus' first read is open, he's supposed to throw the ball.   That's his job.  The read is there and AJB is open....but Marcus doesn't throw it.    He doesn't do his job....and then Saffold falls apart and the whole play blows up.   But Marcus could have defused the whole thing by doing his job and making the throw. 

 

The only thing I can figure is that the Falcons sent an extra pass rusher, so Marcus knew the ball had to come out quickly on that play.   The Bills only rushed four so there was less emphasis on getting the ball out quickly....but when his first read is open, he's supposed to hit it.    But he didn't.

 

On a separate note....it's worth pointing out that AJB runs a much better route on play 2 than Davis does on play 1.   The coverage is near-identical on both plays, as both defenders end up at almost the same spot.   But AJB flattens his route at exactly 11 yards, which creates 2-3 yards of separation from the defender.    Davis starts his cut at the same spot but rounds it off and ends up 13-14 yards deep....so instead of creating 2-3 yards of separation, he runs himself directly into the defender.   It looks like tight coverage....but the coverage is the same on both plays.   AJB creates separation with his route...Davis runs himself into the coverage.

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On 104 yesterday they said Saffold told Kukarsky one of the problems was the QB was holding the ball too long 

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7 hours ago, Jas said:

 

How long did he stand there in the first video?  Second play should have been the same.  This play is designed to get the first down - he isn't waiting on a longer route for a TD.  He should have known to throw to Brown pre-snap based on the 1 on 1 and the DB cushion.  Also pre-snap, he can see there are more bodies in the middle of the field, so there is no point looking there.  There is absolutely nothing to think about here - take the easy completion for the first down.  The ball should come out as soon as his back foot plants.  Did you even bother watching both videos?

 

Keep posting Jas... 

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7 hours ago, JoelinBellevue said:

 

Now the real problem. If they bring in Tanne and he outplays him (which I think he can), people are going to realize it was always Mariota, not the coaches. But I bet they dont, short of an injury. They save Tanne for next year, and if he produces it's because it's a different team, so everyone saves face. Politics and football. I also believe Woodside is a good QB and backup. Strange to be injured on the scout team. Some way of hiding him?

You thought gabbert could outplay him too. You beat the Gabbert drum for weeks and we all saw how that turned out lol.  Mariota had to come in still injured against the jags and save the game. You’ve got an eye for stud QB’s! 

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36 minutes ago, heyitsmeallen said:

You thought gabbert could outplay him too. You beat the Gabbert drum for weeks and we all saw how that turned out lol.  Mariota had to come in still injured against the jags and save the game. You’ve got an eye for stud QB’s! 

 

Tannehill is ten times better than Gabbert

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I just looked at the film, saw him cycle through 3 reads, and no, it wasn’t the same play @Jas

 

First, he looks to his left at what turns into an out at the bottom of the screen. When he doesn’t see the free release he looks at Hump. Covered/difficult throw. A miss could be a pick. Then he looks at his receiver to his right who looks like he’s running a shake route to the outside but it’s too late.

 

By the time he looks back left he doesn’t have time.

 

And at the NFL level, you can’t stare down every read.

 

How many of you actually played football?

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The fact that people aren’t talking about our biggest weakness but blaming our QB for every loss shows you have an agenda.

 

Yall should be PISSED at the O Line if y’all had the same energy. But you’re not.

 

Hell, of all games. With Succup we would’ve won the game and everybody would be on our hype train. Fickle fans

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21 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Tannehill is ten times better than Gabbert

Absolutely, but that doesn’t change my point that joel doesn’t have the best track record. 

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The second play is frustrating and shows how oddly Mariota is wired.  He'll be the toughest QB in the league when it comes to taking contact while he's running the ball or blocking defenders, but as far toughness required from the position is concerned- standing strong in the pocket and delivering the ball- he exhibits none of it.  You think that would drive Vrabel crazy.

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24 minutes ago, abc2330 said:

The second play is frustrating and shows how oddly Mariota is wired.  He'll be the toughest QB in the league when it comes to taking contact while he's running the ball or blocking defenders, but as far toughness required from the position is concerned- standing strong in the pocket and delivering the ball- he exhibits none of it.  You think that would drive Vrabel crazy.

 

Which one is it?You can’t even keep track of your arguments. You should be in news media. I think our country is on drugs

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7 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

 

The DB who presses the slot is why he hesitated. He saw him hand off a receiver and expected he was in zone, which is different than the Davis play. I agree he still has to unleash, but since he’s so conservative in his mind he saw a potential pick 6. 

 

Also, you have to note Saffold got his ass handed to him in the worst kind of way. He was put on skates. Just a terrible play only made more so by the no call on the face mask. Good to see you back. 

 

No, he wouldn't (or at least shouldn't) have even considered zone.  I started the play at the snap to keep the video file size down.  Initially, Lewis was split out to the far right side and his man followed him back.  It clearly showed man coverage, so there really should have been nothing for him to think about after the snap.  

 

Sure, Saffold was a big ol' pile of steaming shit on that play.  It shouldn't have mattered.  Marcus was under even more pressure on the Atlanta play and the ball came out.  He's making the game harder on himself than he needs to for some reason.  He can make that play - he showed it just the previous week.

 

 

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2 hours ago, heyitsmeallen said:

You thought gabbert could outplay him too. You beat the Gabbert drum for weeks and we all saw how that turned out lol.  Mariota had to come in still injured against the jags and save the game. You’ve got an eye for stud QB’s! 

 

We'll never know unless they put him out there, but yeah, Mariota sucks so bad I thought if the coaches worked with him he could be better. That wasn't in the plans. So fuck off with your stupid comparisons. They are stuck paying him millions so we are stuck watching this crap. Gabbert had a few months. Mariota is going on 5 years. Grow up.

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