Popular Post nine Posted October 3, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Coaches' film of all of Mariota's dropbacks vs Falcons in week 4. First Half Second Half heyitsmeallen, freakingeek, titanruss, and 4 others 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamBass Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 In Corey/AJ we trust.. enigma 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ap24786 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Wtf was up with those screen plays? They literally got blown up instantly every single time. titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, ap24786 said: Wtf was up with those screen plays? They literally got blown up instantly every single time. People were trying to blame Dion Lewis but there was absolutely nothing he could have done. I think they need to stop running them, at least for one game, to prevent teams from guessing that they're going to run a screen. titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nine Posted October 3, 2019 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, scine09 said: People were trying to blame Dion Lewis but there was absolutely nothing he could have done. I think they need to stop running them, at least for one game, to prevent teams from guessing that they're going to run a screen. I don’t necessarily blame Lewis for those screens....but the fact is, the manner in which he’s used is extremely predictable. Just putting Lewis on the field tells the defense they’re throwing the ball...and there’s a pretty good chance Lewis will be the target...which means it’s either a screen or a check-down, since those are the only plays where he’s targeted. I mentioned this in another thread....but Lewis has become a one-trick pony. That one trick worked reasonably well last year...but now defenses expect it and they’re shutting it down. Go watch any other team where the RBs are a big part of the passing game. They get the RB involved in a variety of ways and they’re frequently targeted 5-10 yards past the LOS....so even if they don’t get YAC, it’s still a solid gain. But in the Titans offense, the RB is only targeted on screens and check downs, which are almost 100% behind the LOS...and if the RB doesn’t gain YAC, then it’s a negative play that hurts the offense. oldschool, titanruss, scine09, and 5 others 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pray_iv_m3rcy Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Douglas is an absolute bum in pass protection TitanDuckFan, and INTitan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
INTitan Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Some observations - watched first half only since the second half game plan was burn clock mode. A lot of spread formations on passing downs for TN, very few condensed looks (thankfully). This took extra defenders out of the box (despite all the narrative that MM was completing passes against stacked boxes); I believe I counted only 3 out of 14 or so with more than 7 defenders in the box. MM was getting the ball out quickly to WR in space. The first TD to AJB was condensed though, TN had an extra OL plus TE at the line, plus a FB, so ATL countered with 9 in the box. AJB beat his man and the safety made a terrible play. 2Q was by far MM's best stretch of the year in terms of decisions, manipulating the pocket and accuracy. The play where Davis dropped it on 3rd and 3 was a beauty, and an unfortunate drop. As wide as ATL was playing their ends, no idea why they kept trying the boot or rollout action. Easy play for the defenders. Surprised ATL didnt try to send more pressure up the middle. Guess they thought they could get home with their front 4, and they did get some pressure, mainly because our interior OL sucks, but with all the success others have had sending guys up the middle... very surprising. Will be interesting to see if we can spread it out a bit against Buffalo and if our WR's can get open and the QB can make quick decisions with accuracy. That was the key in this game, is it sustainable? Pragidealist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLinks Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I believe I read, maybe PFF, Mariota got the ball out an average of 2.3 seconds against Atlanta. That needs to continue. freakingeek 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 41 minutes ago, INTitan said: Will be interesting to see if we can spread it out a bit against Buffalo and if our WR's can get open and the QB can make quick decisions with accuracy. That was the key in this game, is it sustainable? Brady was getting the ball out in 2.5sec and still getting hit right after he realized the ball, no foul. We need a plan, I don't know if Mariota can get hit like that and not get rattled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
INTitan Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Number9 said: Brady was getting the ball out in 2.5sec and still getting hit right after he realized the ball, no foul. We need a plan, I don't know if Mariota can get hit like that and not get rattled. Yikes. Which means TN will probably go max protect, condensed formations and make it messy in the pocket. We've seen that shit show enough. bosss50, and titanruss 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted October 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 There were several plays where Mariota got the ball out in 1.8-2.0 seconds. These give the pass rush zero chance of getting there....but those plays were virtually nonexistent in weeks 1-3. Hopefully Art Smith starts dialing them up more frequently and puts the onus on Marcus to execute them. (Which he obviously did very well last week.) There were also a few plays where Marcus saw/felt pressure coming and knew he was gonna get hit....but instead of ducking or trying to run, he stood in there, made the throw, and took the hit. Those plays and the throws he made with anticipation or to receivers who weren't necessarily wide open were my two biggest takeaways from that game and the biggest reasons for optimism. We weren't seeing those plays a couple weeks ago. But I also know he's had great games before where he put it all together and appeared to have turned a corner....only to fall back into old habits the following week. I'm not buying back in until he shows he can string together 3-4 steady, solid games in a row. I'm not falling for the old "banana-in-the-tailpipe" trick again. enigma, Number9, titanruss, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Frank Andbeans Posted October 3, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 This is a treasure trove. Thank you. - We lost a lot of plays to designed roll-outs, screens and other things I'm hoping we only tried to aid our left side. We did a lot of chipping and a lot of horizontal movement behind the LOS. One read option play-action involved Jonnu cutting behind the entire line from right to left post snap to block the edge... Jonnu picks him up in the backfield and pushes him past Mariota who looks oblivious until he pumps getting the rusher to bite and steps up to deliver a strike. Great play by Marcus and Jonnu but this is a lot of trickery to go through to simply block an edge rusher. - AJ Brown embarrassed the CB on the long TD. Looked like cover 3 or possibly man with 1 deep. The Titans run play-action in a tight formation with 1 wide. Brown takes an outside release granted by the CB before attacking the CBs low foot. He turns him inside and then out getting wide open on a beautiful route. I want to say the CB was likely in cover 3 expecting help to the inside but play action drew the LBs and a seam route by Jonnu on the opposite side from AJB made the safety pause as Jonnu was drawing even with his coverage. The same CB overruns AJB and let's him back outside before missing the diving tackle to stop the TD. - Pass protection is an issue right now. Marcus dealt with way too much traffic changing his platform. - Titans had a few deep routes dialed up that were never thrown. - A lot of designed plays for 5 yards... quick outs with a route combined to push coverage or pick, check to a QB draw after spreading the field against a wide 9, check to a TE bubble after motion doesn't shift the D to the unbalanced side... etc. We are covering for our line in every way possible. - Marcus was excellent pre-snap. He was just good post-snap and I think that is where he is as a player. I felt he tucked and ran on a play or two where he could have manipulated the pocket differently - one in particular where patience and a move could have left Davis 1v1 late on the slant/crosser. This is the sort of thing you'll see Mahomes or Wentz do, sometimes multiple times in one play - they'll make a small movement to change the throwing platform or fake like they're changing their spot in the pocket to make the rush react. He needs to be a tick quicker... up the beats per minute or refresh rate. I don't expect him to turn his reads into fakes like Mahomes but he's not far off from delaying the rush like Wentz. The TD to Corey Davis is the best throw he's made this season. That was a play he made rather than a play he executed. That is where I think the coaching staff is with him - they like him but want more. They want him to open up and be riskier: run or throw the ball away instead of taking the sack (a preference for field position over ball security), trust your WRs and give them a shot at a play... etc. I've never bought criticism of Mariota's accuracy but I will give some credit to criticism of his throw anticipation. This one was an anticipation throw that left the D no chance. It was thrown well before Davis' break. Another thing to note is the dropback drifting left instead of straight back - Mariota saw the coverage and wanted this play pre-snap. I'm hoping for a more traditional passing offense with Lewan back and that should help getting the ball to the WRs on the outside... 2-3 steps of space can make all the difference for a passing lane. - Twice Corey Davis ran a corner and up seam against the outside corner in cover 3. Each time he'd have a TD with a thrown ball. Once I believe the pass rush got there. The 2nd time, Marcus moved in the pocket well, up and left to clear traffic, and just as he looked poised to uncork deep left he chose the dump off to the RB in the middle. It wasn't a bad play but it could have been a big play. It was a long throw and the decision was split second. I want Marcus to try the deep shot and I think the coaches do too. He thought about it and went safe. What gives me hope is that he saw it and probably would have thrown with a clean pocket - there's still time. bosss50, IsntLifeFunny, V_Man, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, nine said: There were several plays where Mariota got the ball out in 1.8-2.0 seconds. These give the pass rush zero chance of getting there....but those plays were virtually nonexistent in weeks 1-3. Hopefully Art Smith starts dialing them up more frequently and puts the onus on Marcus to execute them. (Which he obviously did very well last week.) There were also a few plays where Marcus saw the pressure coming and knew he was gonna get hit....but he stood in there and made the throw anyway. Those plays and the throws he made with anticipation or to receivers who weren't necessarily wide open were my two biggest takeaways from that game and the biggest reasons for optimism. But I also know we've seen games before where he put it all together and appeared to have turned a corner....only to fall back into old habits the following week. I'm not buying back in until he shows he can string together 3-4 steady, solid games in a row. I'm not falling for the old "banana-in-the-tailpipe" trick again. You’re totally right. It all but confirms my take from a few months ago that he needs a sports psychologist. He’s clearly got all the tools and occasionally puts them together. It’s all mental for him at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 hours ago, nine said: There were several plays where Mariota got the ball out in 1.8-2.0 seconds. These give the pass rush zero chance of getting there....but those plays were virtually nonexistent in weeks 1-3. Hopefully Art Smith starts dialing them up more frequently and puts the onus on Marcus to execute them. (Which he obviously did very well last week.) There were also a few plays where Marcus saw/felt pressure coming and knew he was gonna get hit....but instead of ducking or trying to run, he stood in there, made the throw, and took the hit. Those plays and the throws he made with anticipation or to receivers who weren't necessarily wide open were my two biggest takeaways from that game and the biggest reasons for optimism. We weren't seeing those plays a couple weeks ago. But I also know he's had great games before where he put it all together and appeared to have turned a corner....only to fall back into old habits the following week. I'm not buying back in until he shows he can string together 3-4 steady, solid games in a row. I'm not falling for the old "banana-in-the-tailpipe" trick again. I haven't reviewed your all-22, but I noticed the same thing about the ball coming out during the game. It looked like they have been using the horn during practice to help him have that internal clock. "HONK" The only problem I see with my theory is that's just basic football. It should start in his rookie year and be ingrained by his second season. Obviously something has gone wrong. He showed he's capable of throwing the ball in less that 3 sec and throwing it away if he can't make a play. Why was he not doing it game one? Next, we have to see what happens when they face a team with a good defense, Buffalo. What happens when teams start to take that quick strike away? If he is making reads he will still be able to get the ball out, if they a schemed it will be tougher. We'll also get to see if Fred Smith can shift gears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Number9 said: I haven't reviewed your all-22, but I noticed the same thing about the ball coming out during the game. It looked like they have been using the horn during practice to help him have that internal clock. "HONK" The only problem I see with my theory is that's just basic football. It should start in his rookie year and be ingrained by his second season. Obviously something has gone wrong. He showed he's capable of throwing the ball in less that 3 sec and throwing it away if he can't make a play. Why was he not doing it game one? Next, we have to see what happens when they face a team with a good defense, Buffalo. What happens when teams start to take that quick strike away? If he is making reads he will still be able to get the ball out, if they a schemed it will be tougher. We'll also get to see if Fred Smith can shift gears. it doesnt even seem like it was as complicated a that. sure, they probably told him to do whatever he could to throw it away.. but most throwaways were on rollouts and he was doing that before too. the obvious answer to me is that it was more of a spread them out, quick-passing gameplan instead of max protecting and sending two guys out whose routes took forever to develop....and one of the routes often being a rookie in brown who has been mentioned he is running routes to the wrong spots a few times (his snaps have been limited more than fans want).. we cant max protect well, so the guys never get open unless the timing is perfect or the QB breaks out of the pocket to make a play. give the QB options and a better view of what the defense is doing and you'll get better results. this is what people have been asking for since Wiz left. when we do it, it works. but we always go back to the same antiquated offenses and then look bad again unless we get a perfect storm type of game. bosss50 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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