MadMax Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, ctm said: Hillary killing Epstein and 13-15 others isn't just a stupid rant. It's lunatic fringe conspiracy stuff that only the truly delusional believe. AKA: Most repugs I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 40 minutes ago, Btowner said: It’s hilarious the hoops and contortions you go through to believe conspiracy theories on the Clintons. Yet, you conveniently ignore sworn testimony by career civil servants about the orange POS you worship. Too funny. These morons live in some dumbass bizzaro world where hard working and dedicated Americans (Vindman, Yovanavitch(spelling?) are not believed and more or less smeared and non sensical bullshit theories peddled by con artists are accepted as the truth. MadMax, IsntLifeFunny, Btowner, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Rolltide said: I cannot prove it you retard. I think they did perhaps in cahoots with the royal family. Somebody killed him and then you look at motive. Bill Clinton spent a lot of time on pedo island and his legacy could have been destroyed by Epstein's testimony. It is rather amazing the number of people who could have potentially provided damaging testimony against the Clintons who ended up murdered. Its hilarious that you so freely accept conspiracies about Hillary and Bill but then ignore all Trump's lies and even the fact that he partied with Epstein at his resort with just them and a bunch of girls Epstein had flown in. IsntLifeFunny, and OILERMAN 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ctm Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 WASHINGTON —The Ukraine impeachment inquiry has created the first rift between President Donald Trump and the Cabinet member who has been his closest ally, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, according to four current and former senior administration officials. Trump has fumed for weeks that Pompeo is responsible for hiring State Department officials whose congressional testimony threatens to bring down his presidency, the officials said. The president confronted Pompeo about the officials — and what he believed was a lackluster effort by the secretary of state to block their testimony — during lunch at the White House on Oct. 29, those familiar with the matter said. Inside the White House, the view was that Trump “just felt like, ‘rein your people in,’” a senior administration official said. Trump particularly blames Pompeo for tapping Ambassador Bill Taylor in June to be the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, the current and former senior administration officials said. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/18/donald-trumps-impeachment-ire-turns-on-mike-pompeo.html No one is safe in Trump's world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1TitansFan Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, ctm said: WASHINGTON —The Ukraine impeachment inquiry has created the first rift between President Donald Trump and the Cabinet member who has been his closest ally, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, according to four current and former senior administration officials. Trump has fumed for weeks that Pompeo is responsible for hiring State Department officials whose congressional testimony threatens to bring down his presidency, the officials said. The president confronted Pompeo about the officials — and what he believed was a lackluster effort by the secretary of state to block their testimony — during lunch at the White House on Oct. 29, those familiar with the matter said. Inside the White House, the view was that Trump “just felt like, ‘rein your people in,’” a senior administration official said. Trump particularly blames Pompeo for tapping Ambassador Bill Taylor in June to be the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, the current and former senior administration officials said. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/18/donald-trumps-impeachment-ire-turns-on-mike-pompeo.html No one is safe in Trump's world. Loyalty to the Fuhrer trumps all. begooode, Starkiller, and Omar 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 He screws over everyone Mythos27, and Omar 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post OILERMAN Posted November 18, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, reo said: People on this political forum need to take Pelosi's advice. Arguing with these people is stupid and a waste of time. They are argue from ignorance and dishonesty and aren't looking for the truth Omar, Rogue, MadMax, and 6 others 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, Soxcat said: The deeper this gets the more ridiculous this whole thing is. Pretty basic really. If you are someone who is buying into this crap you are one fing idiot. Even if you don't like Trump you have to be a complete moron to not see through all of this. Adam Shit is a weasel POS. What an embarrassment. Historically this will be branded the biggest croc of crap right up there with global warming. Denial. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 Sondoland's testimony this week will be the only hope the Dems have to make anything of this. All the other witnesses just provide their viewpoint of the situation. Like posters on this board. It will be interesting to see the House vote when this is done. And what happens if the IG report is released during this and if it has any criminal referrals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, OILERMAN said: People on this political forum need to take Pelosi's advice. Arguing with these people is stupid and a waste of time. They are argue from ignorance and dishonesty and aren't looking for the truth ….or just ranting, name calling and making no logical defense or argument. Trump tried to trade arms for political dirt. That's beyond dispute. It's wrong to try to get another country involved in our election and its wrong to attempt to compromise the security of an ally (Ukraine). Edited November 18, 2019 by ctm reo, Btowner, begooode, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Little Earl Posted November 18, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 There are at least 10 reasons why the Dem impeachment “inquiry” is really a coup. 1) Impeachment 24/7. The “inquiry,” supposedly prompted by President Trump’s Ukrainian call, is only the most recent coup seeking to overturn the 2016 election. Usually, the serial futile attempts — with the exception of the Mueller debacle — were characterized by about a month of media hysteria. We remember the voting-machines-fraud hoax, the Logan Act, the Emoluments Clause, the 25th Amendment, the McCabe-Rosenstein faux coup and various Michael Avenatti-Stormy Daniels-Michael Cohen psychodramas. Ukraine, then, isn’t unique, but simply another mini-coup. 2) False whistleblowers. The “whistleblower” is no whistleblower by any common definition of the noun. He has no incriminating documents, no information at all. He doesn’t even have firsthand evidence of wrongdoing. Instead, the whistleblower relied on secondhand water-cooler gossip about a leaked presidential call. Even his mangled version of the call didn’t match that of official transcribers. He wasn’t disinterested but had a long history of partisanship. He was a protégé of many of Trump’s most adamant opponents, including Susan Rice, John Brennan and Joe Biden. He did not follow protocol by going first to the inspector general but instead caucused with the staff of Rep. Adam Schiff’s impeachment inquiry. Neither the whistleblower nor his doppelganger, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, was bothered by the activities of the Bidens or by the Obama decision not to arm Ukraine. Their outrage, in other words, was not about Ukraine but over Trump. 3) First-term impeachment. The Clinton and Nixon inquiries were directed at second-term presidencies, when there were no more electoral remedies for alleged wrongdoing. By contrast, Trump is up for election in less than a year. Impeachment, then, seems a partisan exercise in either circumventing a referendum election or in damaging a president seeking re-election. 4) No special-counsel finding. In the past, special counsels have found felonious presidential behavior, such as cited in Leon Jaworski’s and Ken Starr’s investigations. By contrast, special counsel Robert Mueller spent 22 months and $35 million, and yet his largely partisan law and investigative team found no “collusion” and no actionable presidential obstruction of that non-crime. 5) No bipartisanship. There was broad bipartisan support for the Nixon impeachment inquiry and even some for the Clinton impeachment. There is none for the Schiff impeachment effort. 6) No high crimes or misdemeanors. There is no proof of any actual crime. Asking a foreign head of state to look into past corruption is pro forma. That Joe Biden is now Trump’s potential rival doesn’t exculpate possible wrongdoing in his past as vice president, when his son used the Biden name for lucrative gain. In other words, it is certainly not a crime for a president to adapt his own foreign policy to fit particular countries nor to request of a foreign government with a history of corruption seeking US aid to ensure that it has not in the past colluded with prior US officials in suspicious activity. 7) Thought crimes? Even if there were ever a quid, there is no quo: Unlike the case of the Obama administration, the Trump administration did supply arms to Ukraine, and the Ukrainians apparently did not reinvestigate the Bidens. 8) Double standards. There is now no standard of equality under the law. Instead, we are entering the jurisprudence of junta politics. If an alleged quid pro quo is an impeachable offense, should Biden have been impeached or indicted for clearly leveraging the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor for dubious reasons by threats of withholding US aid? 9) The Schiff factor. Schiff is now de facto chief impeachment prosecutor. He has repeatedly lied about the certainty of impending Mueller indictments or bombshells. He flat-out lied that he and his staff had no prior contact with the whistleblower. He made up a version of the Trump call that didn’t represent the transcript, and when called out, he begged off by claiming he was offering a “parody.” Tradition and protocol argue that the proper place for impeachment inquiries and investigations is the House Judiciary Committee. The hyperpartisan Schiff has hijacked that committee’s historic role. 10) Precedent. The indiscriminate efforts to remove Trump over the past three years, when coupled with the latest impeachment gambit, have now set a precedent in which the out party can use impeachment as a tool to embarrass, threaten or seek to remove a sitting president and reverse an election. We are witnessing constitutional government dissipating before our eyes. https://nypost.com/2019/11/12/10-reasons-why-this-impeachment-inquiry-is-really-a-coup/?fbclid=IwAR3Zj0D9-ZwAWZkdtVPPMBwQPmFCa6dRIgYQr8i7zt35LBK11RFLaJ9wb2M Starkiller, ChemEngr79, IsntLifeFunny, and 2 others 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 https://politicalwire.com/2019/11/18/u-s-officials-knew-of-ukraines-trump-anxiety/ Quote “Despite his denials, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was feeling pressure from the Trump administration to investigate Joe Biden before his July phone call with President Trump that has led to impeachment hearings,” the AP reports. “In early May, staff at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, including then-Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, were briefed on a meeting Zelensky held in which he sought advice on how to navigate the difficult position he was in… He was concerned that Trump and associates were pressing him to take action that could affect the 2020 U.S. presidential race.” “The briefings show that U.S. officials knew early that Zelensky was feeling pressure to investigate Biden, even though the Ukrainian leader later denied it in a joint news conference with Trump in September.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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