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Ten Thoughts on Colts Game

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I just see Mariota's problems differently than most. I don't know why everyone insists that his arm strength is his problem, it isn't & that's been obvious for years. He has more then enough arm. That bomb to Davis last year in Philly was a monster throw. The 2 deep outs to him against Houston on MNF last year are throws most QB's wouldn't even attempt. FO rated him the highest DVOA in the league on deep outs. He has plenty of arm.

 

His problem is, despite obvious intelligence, the game just does not come easily to him. You just don't see the natural instincts & pocket confidence. I remember watching McNair & it was like he had a perfect alarm clock for when to take off, and eyes in the back of his head to avoid the rush. Even VY, who certainly isn't as good as Marcus, don't get me wrong, had a much more natural feel for the game.

 

Marcus is a guy who I'm sure knows the offense inside & out, knows exactly what the opposing defense is trying yo accomplish, but, like General Wesley Clark said, less than half of the military operations run are seemless. Being able to adjust quickly, while stayng in control, is so crucial for a QB. I think Maholmes actually said, similar to the above military comparison, that more then half of his big plays last year were off script. Marcus just freezes in these situations. He actually seems to be regressing in fact. More & more we see him deep in the pocket, late into the snap, just not pulling the trigger on a throw, run, throwing OB, whatever. And then the dam finally breaks & multiple defenders just burst thru.

 

At the end of the day though it doesn't matter why it's not working, it's just not working. I still think he played much better then given credit for last year but I don't want to have that argument again. I'm disappointed, I really thought he'd improve on the above aspects but I've seen nothing to even tell me he hasn't regressed, much less improved. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Face said:

I just see Mariota's problems differently than most. I don't know why everyone insists that his arm strength is his problem, it isn't & that's been obvious for years. He has more then enough arm. That bomb to Davis last year in Philly was a monster throw. The 2 deep outs to him against Houston on MNF last year are throws most QB's wouldn't even attempt. FO rated him the highest DVOA in the league on deep outs. He has plenty of arm.

 

His problem is, despite obvious intelligence, the game just does not come easily to him. You just don't see the natural instincts & pocket confidence. I remember watching McNair & it was like he had a perfect alarm clock for when to take off, and eyes in the back of his head to avoid the rush. Even VY, who certainly isn't as good as Marcus, don't get me wrong, had a much more natural feel for the game.

 

Marcus is a guy who I'm sure knows the offense inside & out, knows exactly what the opposing defense is trying yo accomplish, but, like General Wesley Clark said, less than half of the military operations run are seemless. Being able to adjust quickly, while stayng in control, is so crucial for a QB. I think Maholmes actually said, similar to the above military comparison, that more then half of his big plays last year were off script. Marcus just freezes in these situations. He actually seems to be regressing in fact. More & more we see him deep in the pocket, late into the snap, just not pulling the trigger on a throw, run, throwing OB, whatever. And then the dam finally breaks & multiple defenders just burst thru.

 

At the end of the day though it doesn't matter why it's not working, it's just not working. I still think he played much better then given credit for last year but I don't want to have that argument again. I'm disappointed, I really thought he'd improve on the above aspects but I've seen nothing to even tell me he hasn't regressed, much less improved. 

 

 

You think it comes from having too many people telling him different things?  I think that's played into it.

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On September 16, 2019 at 9:23 AM, code said:

My post was not exactly a ringing endorsement for MM. I will not say over until the season is actually over. But yesterday didn't go into the 'pro' column. Davis, Brown and Humphries are all legitimate NFL receivers. Obviously so is Walker.  Ultimately you have to make plays.

 

Code obviously 95% of the material on here is going to be Mariota but you were absolutely spot on about how it seems like all the losing to the Colts has really seemed to have a serious effect on us. I mean, this has been going on for almost 20 years now. It's insane. I was an Oiler fan & then obviously stayed with the team after the move & the first few years were great. But since '04 we have been so dominated by them it's ridiculous. For me this has basically gone on since I was in college to now, where all I'll reveal is I'm closer to 80 then being born. So much of my life has changed, as everybody does in 20 years,except this remains. We're still getting owned by the Colts.  Theres so many terrible losses it would take forever to list them. I really think this is one of the reasons the fan support just isn't there. I mean, I'm close to worn out.

 

I thought we were going to go out & beat them up on Sunday.  They still have a lot of roster talent, I wasn't cocky, but I really thought, and still think, we have a really good team. I thought we were going to make a statement test this was our division this year. And yeah Nariota sucked, but we totally shit the bed. It seriously felt like the ghosts of the prior 20 years beat us. Until we man up against them we'll continue to have a 8-9 game ceiling. 

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40 minutes ago, scine09 said:

You think it comes from having too many people telling him different things?  I think that's played into it.

I think that's a pretty big part of it, yeah. Remember how great he was in camp as a rookie? Outside media sources, not hometown guys, were marveling. He seemed a lot more sure of himself. He was playing with an offense that basically isn't in the NFL anymore & looked more confident then he does now. 

 

I know now all the ratings & anylytics say he was better the last few years then as a rookie but I disagree. His supporting cast was historically bad in 2015, one of the worst I've ever seen. Our offensive talent now is so far better then that team. I have no doubt rookie Marcus wins that game Sunday with ease.

 

But it is becoming obvious there's just something missing, he does not appear to have the innate instincts needed to play at a high level consistently.

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35 minutes ago, Face said:

I think that's a pretty big part of it, yeah. Remember how great he was in camp as a rookie? Outside media sources, not hometown guys, were marveling. He seemed a lot more sure of himself. He was playing with an offense that basically isn't in the NFL anymore & looked more confident then he does now. 

 

I know now all the ratings & anylytics say he was better the last few years then as a rookie but I disagree. His supporting cast was historically bad in 2015, one of the worst I've ever seen. Our offensive talent now is so far better then that team. I have no doubt rookie Marcus wins that game Sunday with ease.

 

But it is becoming obvious there's just something missing, he does not appear to have the innate instincts needed to play at a high level consistently.

He cannot play like he did against the Colts as a rookie now.  We've talked about this before how he looked like a veteran at the beginning of his career.  Now he looks like a rookie.  The game is probably faster for him now than it ever was.  It's a direct result of losing confidence due to being told too many different things.

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58 minutes ago, Face said:

I think that's a pretty big part of it, yeah. Remember how great he was in camp as a rookie? Outside media sources, not hometown guys, were marveling. He seemed a lot more sure of himself. He was playing with an offense that basically isn't in the NFL anymore & looked more confident then he does now. 

 

I know now all the ratings & anylytics say he was better the last few years then as a rookie but I disagree. His supporting cast was historically bad in 2015, one of the worst I've ever seen. Our offensive talent now is so far better then that team. I have no doubt rookie Marcus wins that game Sunday with ease.

 

But it is becoming obvious there's just something missing, he does not appear to have the innate instincts needed to play at a high level consistently.

 

His "greatness" came from his streak of not throwing picks, which many people said was probably a result of him only making the safe throws

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3 hours ago, Face said:

I think that's a pretty big part of it, yeah. Remember how great he was in camp as a rookie? Outside media sources, not hometown guys, were marveling. He seemed a lot more sure of himself. He was playing with an offense that basically isn't in the NFL anymore & looked more confident then he does now. 

 

I know now all the ratings & anylytics say he was better the last few years then as a rookie but I disagree. His supporting cast was historically bad in 2015, one of the worst I've ever seen. Our offensive talent now is so far better then that team. I have no doubt rookie Marcus wins that game Sunday with ease.

 

But it is becoming obvious there's just something missing, he does not appear to have the innate instincts needed to play at a high level consistently.

 

Thats the thing with instincts. You either have them from the start or you never get them. Not something that can be studied and learned. He never had them and never will.

 

That more than anything is what makes him a bust.

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