Popular Post Justafan Posted September 12, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 Cossell wasn't saying the entire offense was one read but that doesn't matter. He did specifically say they had to scheme around Mariota's limitations and he specifically said one of the ways they did that was the use of one read plays. The implication is clear. People need to accept the fact that Mariota simply is not what we all want him to be. I think he can be productive in this system but like Cossell said, that's because the coaches are doing an outstanding job scheming offense in spite of his limitations rather than his talent shining within a scheme. They've done a great job of that with Goff in LA but I question how sustainable it is because without a true drop back passer, it is just so difficult to stay ahead of these defensive coordinators. Look at what the Patriots did to the Rams in the Superbowl. At some point, you have to be able to drop back and pass and beat a team from the pocket. Mariota simply can't do that right now or at least has shown us evidence that indicates that he can't do that and the coaches have shown us evidence that they don't think he can do it and the last two years is a huge sample size of him not being able to do it, at least not consistently. He has 15 games, assuming he stays healthy. This level of play is fine for a guy working on a rookie contract but I just don't see anyway that you can give a guy a long term deal making 25m+ when street FAs or rookies are matching that level of production or even surpassing it. The only thing Mariota gives you right now is that he doesn't turn the ball over very much and he's fairly accurate when given time. That's just not enough. rns90, begooode, Smokes, and 7 others 7 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OILERMAN Posted September 12, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, Justafan said: People need to accept the fact that Mariota simply is not what we all want him to be. Going back a few years ago the narrative was Mularkey was keeping MM from being this Mahomes/Rodgers type QB. Even the most die hard MM supporters have to accept that's never going to happen, it's not even close. What he is is a RGIII/Kaep type of mobile one read QB who the coaches have to scheme around. Kaep almost won a SB doing it but that SF team was absolutely loaded. The problem is it's extremely unlikely you'll contend if you can't be a pocket passer. The other issue is it's easily replaceable. In fact it would be hard not to find a guy who can be a better true drop back passer than MM is, he basically can't do it. Justafan, tgo, BudsOilers, and 3 others 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pray_iv_m3rcy Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 The limitations towards the passing game is not in Mariota. It's in the OL. The whole design of attack that Smith incorporated into the gameplan against the Browns was to counter their defensive line. It's not because Mariota struggles with going through his progressions and other BS. We tried one time to allow Matiota to drop back without giving Kelly any help and Garrett completely toasted him. BudsOilers, and C_Train 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 28 minutes ago, Pray_iv_m3rcy said: The limitations towards the passing game is not in Mariota. It's in the OL. The whole design of attack that Smith incorporated into the gameplan against the Browns was to counter their defensive line. It's not because Mariota struggles with going through his progressions and other BS. We tried one time to allow Matiota to drop back without giving Kelly any help and Garrett completely toasted him. It's Mularkey, it's the protection, it's the dropped passes, it's the ulnar nerve, it's LaFleur Lewan played last year and they still had MM throw 60% of his passes at or behind the line and the team ran the ball on 1st down more than anyone but one team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pray_iv_m3rcy Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, OILERMAN said: It's Mularkey, it's the protection, it's the dropped passes, it's the ulnar nerve, it's LaFleur Lewan played last year and they still had MM throw 60% of his passes at or behind the line and the team ran the ball on 1st down more than anyone but one team He was hurt all but a quarter and a half last year. If Gabbert didnt get hurt Mariota wouldn't have been playing through his injury. All of those excuses are valid. I don't know how but this franchise has struggled to develop qbs. That's not news. Neither is having one starter for all 16 games. Tell me when was the last time we had one starting qb for all 16 games? Edited September 12, 2019 by Pray_iv_m3rcy BudsOilers, and OILERMAN 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nash Posted September 12, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 Derrick Mason discusses this on 102.5 the game this morning.. he pointed out Mariota ‘s flaws including lack of a consistent platform, feeling pressure when it wasn’t there , and a lack of accuracy when he doesn’t step and drive the ball on his throws.. he also mentioned the fact that on the play to Humphries, he stayed with him , while other receivers were open ie locked onto a receiver.. Mariota has a good performance , but to be great all of these things have to get better japan, IsntLifeFunny, Smokes, and 10 others 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Justafan Posted September 12, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 hours ago, OILERMAN said: Going back a few years ago the narrative was Mularkey was keeping MM from being this Mahomes/Rodgers type QB. Even the most die hard MM supporters have to accept that's never going to happen, it's not even close. What he is is a RGIII/Kaep type of mobile one read QB who the coaches have to scheme around. Kaep almost won a SB doing it but that SF team was absolutely loaded. The problem is it's extremely unlikely you'll contend if you can't be a pocket passer. The other issue is it's easily replaceable. In fact it would be hard not to find a guy who can be a better true drop back passer than MM is, he basically can't do it. In hindsight, Mularkey was severely under-appreciated. Starkiller, Mythos27, OILERMAN, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Pray_iv_m3rcy said: He was hurt all but a quarter and a half last year. If Gabbert didnt get hurt Mariota wouldn't have been playing through his injury. All of those excuses are valid. I don't know how but this franchise has struggled to develop qbs. That's not news. Neither is having one starter for all 16 games. Tell me when was the last time we had one starting qb for all 16 games? And the year before when he had basically the same level of production? This preseason and game 1 where we saw the exact same flaws? What is the excuse there? It's just silly at this point. You can nail most of these guys within a year or two and tell if they're going to be good or not. You can already see some of Kyler Murray's flaws after one game. Guys like Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers made mistakes early but you could tell almost immediately that they would be good. I've been as guilty of it as anyone but the simple truth is none of us saw the flaws in Marcus because we didn't want to see it. We buried our heads in the sand and hoped he would get better. He didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Justafan said: In hindsight, Mularkey was severely under-appreciated. I wouldn’t say severely. He probably caught more flack than deserved, but he was still not that good. Even sans Mariota, I don’t think he does much of anything note in his tenure here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Pray_iv_m3rcy said: The limitations towards the passing game is not in Mariota. It's in the OL. The whole design of attack that Smith incorporated into the gameplan against the Browns was to counter their defensive line. This might be true. I can see the argument that the coaches did incorporate more 1-read plays because of their fear of the OL vs. the Browns defense, choosing to be conservative game 1 and not take risks (Vrabel is all about disciplined, mistake-free football), and that the gameplan was not an indictment on Mariota's ability to read the field. But in order to prove this, Mariota needs to come out and command the offense. Indy has a solid D, but they aren't monsters that we're afraid of. There can't be excuses for all 16 games this season for why Mariota wasn't asked to do certain things on offense. If we go 16 games not needing Mariota to do anything other than simple gameplans combined with running for first downs, then he doesn't need to be our QB. Edited September 12, 2019 by cenj Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 5 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Strange how many games we’ve not done that and been productive. "The truth is stranger than fiction." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, cenj said: This might be true. I can see the argument that the coaches did incorporate more 1-read plays because of their fear of the OL vs. the Browns defense, choosing to be conservative game 1 and not take risks (Vrabel is all about disciplined, mistake-free football), and that the gameplan was not an indictment on Mariota's ability to read the field. But in order to prove this, Mariota needs to come out and command the offense. Indy has a solid D, but they aren't monsters that we're afraid of. There can't be excuses for all 16 games this season for why Mariota wasn't asked to do certain things on offense. If we go 16 games not needing Mariota to do anything other than simple gameplans combined with running for first downs, then he doesn't need to be our QB. KC ran play action as much as we did. Seems like a reasonable approach against a team with a stout D line and 0 discipline like Cleveland and Jacksonville Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 54 minutes ago, cenj said: This might be true. I can see the argument that the coaches did incorporate more 1-read plays because of their fear of the OL vs. the Browns defense, choosing to be conservative game 1 and not take risks (Vrabel is all about disciplined, mistake-free football), and that the gameplan was not an indictment on Mariota's ability to read the field. But in order to prove this, Mariota needs to come out and command the offense. Indy has a solid D, but they aren't monsters that we're afraid of. There can't be excuses for all 16 games this season for why Mariota wasn't asked to do certain things on offense. If we go 16 games not needing Mariota to do anything other than simple gameplans combined with running for first downs, then he doesn't need to be our QB. I mostly agree with this take. The only issue I really have at the moment is that some are taking it and running with the gameplan of the first game as to what will happen the remainder of the year. That remains to be seen, but it seems some little things (like our o-line not being fully intact against a great front seven affecting the gameplan)are being either overlooked or not really taken into consideration. And that is about as silly as thinking Mariota accomplished more in the game than he did. He was solid against what was supposed to be a good defense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, StephenIsLegend said: I mostly agree with this take. The only issue I really have at the moment is that some are taking it and running with the gameplan of the first game as to what will happen the remainder of the year. That remains to be seen, but it seems some little things (like our o-line not being fully intact against a great front seven affecting the gameplan)are being either overlooked or not really taken into consideration. And that is about as silly as thinking Mariota accomplished more in the game than he did. He was solid against what was supposed to be a good defense. It remains to be seen but that's the way it's always been in his time here outside of his rookie year where things were a disaster ... was it not? We've blamed it on a couple of things or people, but ultimately we keep playing the same style with Mariota at QB. Edited September 12, 2019 by big2033 OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaTitan Posted September 12, 2019 Report Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Nash said: Derrick Mason discusses this on 102.5 the game this morning.. he pointed out Mariota ‘s flaws including lack of a consistent platform, feeling pressure when it wasn’t there , and a lack of accuracy when he doesn’t step and drive the ball on his throws.. he also mentioned the fact that on the play to Humphries, he stayed with him , while other receivers were open ie locked onto a receiver.. Mariota has a good performance , but to be great all of these things have to get better If we're all honest, we have to agree with some of the issues he mentions. Most importantly, I agree with the last part of what Mason says and believe if he can stay on the field, MM's game will improve to the level of QB will win games for us and that we'll want to extend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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