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Is Art Smith More Mularkey or LaFleur?

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 Both RZ touchdowns were off play action to Henry, The Browns had to focus on Henry, which opened things up for Walker.

Even the quick pass to Brown for the long gain was set up off the fake to Henry.

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4 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

I was fine with the Smith hire and think he'll do a good job but we need to see 3-4 games. Anyone remember Whiz opening in KC or against TB?

 

True, opponent didn't have any real film on Mariota in Whisenhunt's offense at that point. 

 

Similar to Smith, but given that Smith likely has a more heavily schemed passing game play to play hopefully that advantage doesn't go away for a little while in this situation. And play action is play action, nothing you can do to "scheme" against that outside of blitzing which can be countered as we saw. 

 

I think this Indy game we're going to see about 10 short zone beater passes to Humphries and another half dozen or more to Delanie sitting in zones. 

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1 hour ago, TitanDuckFan said:

In 2016 under Russ Grimm the O-Line and pass-pro was exceptional.

 

Your turn.

Explain why Robiskie isn't calling plays somewhere else if he was that good.

 

Hell, he got fired at his last gig as a receiver's coach/passing game coordinator.

The rest is just noise, and misguided opinions.

 

The issue is play design and calls and in 2016, it worked.  That's not debatable. 

 

In 2017, it didn't for a variety of reasons -  OL play, RB play, Quarterback play.  The same issues existed with LaFluer (actually RZ was worse).

 

Claiming he didn't understand situational football is just asinine.  I'm not saying he's a great OC but there are plenty of examples where the coaches are the same and results vary year to year. 

 

Also, we have literally one game of a sample size for Smith.  I'd perhaps wait to see how things unfold.  Given he's so much better than Robiskie and the talent level across the board is so good, we should expect the #1 RZ offense right?

 

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9 minutes ago, BudAdams said:

 

The issue is play design and calls and in 2016, it worked.  That's not debatable. 

 

In 2017, it didn't for a variety of reasons -  OL play, RB play, Quarterback play.  The same issues existed with LaFluer (actually RZ was worse).

 

Claiming he didn't understand situational football is just asinine.  I'm not saying he's a great OC but there are plenty of examples where the coaches are the same and results vary year to year. 

 

Also, we have literally one game of a sample size for Smith.  I'd perhaps wait to see how things unfold.  Given he's so much better than Robiskie and the talent level across the board is so good, we should expect the #1 RZ offense right?

 

Non-answers aren't answers.

Why isn't he somewhere calling plays if he was so fucking good?

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I never said Robiskie was great - in fact I said he wasn't great.  At the same time, I'm not going to have a baseless claim that he had no idea what he was doing when he actually had one good year/one average year as an OC.  The fact is that the 2017 offense actually outproduced the 2018 offense from an efficiency standpoint (points scored, red zone efficiency). 

 

I'm not going to say Smith is better than Robiskie off of one game. 

 

Everyone crowned Whisenhunt in 2014 and 2015 after week 1 wins.  How'd that turn out?

 

How did Chip Kelly do in the pros?  Or at UCLA?

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14 minutes ago, BudAdams said:

I never said Robiskie was great - in fact I said he wasn't great.  At the same time, I'm not going to have a baseless claim that he had no idea what he was doing when he actually had one good year/one average year as an OC.  The fact is that the 2017 offense actually outproduced the 2018 offense from an efficiency standpoint (points scored, red zone efficiency). 

 

I'm not going to say Smith is better than Robiskie off of one game. 

 

Everyone crowned Whisenhunt in 2014 and 2015 after week 1 wins.  How'd that turn out?

I didn't say Smith was better than anybody, yet.

I said he showed he can call plays based on what appears to be a grasp of situational football and defensive tendencies, and I was backed up by multiple pundits who recognized the same thing.

 

Something that Robiskie regularly showed he struggled with.  Along with a stubbornness expecting certain plays to "pop," regardless of the fact those plays had failed more often than not, or at least multiple times in the same game and/or against multiple opponents.

And he even admitted on more than one occasion that Mularkey chewed his ass about it.

 

And then he lost his last passing game gig for his players' poor performance(s).

 

So, since you have no answer for why he doesn't hold a position anywhere in the league that even approaches the kind of responsibility of an OC has, even though it's patently obvious why not,...

We're done here.

Take your obtuseness elsewhere.

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2 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said:

I didn't say Smith was better than anybody, yet.

I said he showed he can call plays based on what appears to be a grasp of situational football and defensive tendencies, and I was backed up by multiple pundits who recognized the same thing.

 

Something that Robiskie regularly showed he struggled with.  Along with a stubbornness expecting certain plays to "pop," regardless of the fact those plays had failed more often than not, or at least multiple times in the same game and/or against multiple opponents.

And he even admitted on more than one occasion that Mularkey chewed his ass about it.

 

And then he lost his last passing game gig for his players' poor performance(s).

 

So, since you have no answer for why he doesn't hold a position anywhere in the league that even approaches the kind of responsibility of an OC has, even though it's patently obvious why not,...

We're done here.

Take your obtuseness elsewhere.

 

No you are making a broad assessment on Smith based on ONE game.  Look at LaFleur last year.  He called a good game versus Philly and was absolutely horrible the next week at Buffalo.

 

As for Robiskie, he was not a passing game coordinator in Buffalo - simply a WR coach and their offense stunk.  The rookie QB hitting 50% of his passes maybe had something to do with that. 

 

Regardless, the fact he's not a coordinator today has nothing to do with what he did in 2016 or 2017 as the OC.  Let's not pretend that Mariota being horrible in 2017 wasn't a huge problem for the offense/red zone or otherwise.  Plenty of his misses were open plays where the design was perfectly fine.

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I really liked his mix of plays. Not only could I not tell what was coming but a lot of the plays actually worked! I really, really liked the fact that we hit on many of our downfield tries, this really has been lacking for a while.

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27 minutes ago, BudAdams said:

 

No you are making a broad assessment on Smith based on ONE game.  Look at LaFleur last year.  He called a good game versus Philly and was absolutely horrible the next week at Buffalo.

 

As for Robiskie, he was not a passing game coordinator in Buffalo - simply a WR coach and their offense stunk.  The rookie QB hitting 50% of his passes maybe had something to do with that. 

 

Regardless, the fact he's not a coordinator today has nothing to do with what he did in 2016 or 2017 as the OC.  Let's not pretend that Mariota being horrible in 2017 wasn't a huge problem for the offense/red zone or otherwise.  Plenty of his misses were open plays where the design was perfectly fine.

Face it dude, your narrative is in the shitter along with Mularkey's head coaching career, and Robiskie's offensive coordinator career.

Own that shit.

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8 hours ago, BudAdams said:

What is abundantly clear is that the passing game is going to be heavily reliant on play action or scheme to maximize the efficiency of MM (or minimize the deficiencies of MM).  When they did do straight drop backs, it was ugly as Romo pointed out. 

 

I know this came up in another discussion but play action can work without the run game working but you have to be doing both from the same personnel grouping/formations to keep teams honest.  Late in the year, the Rams faced this problem after Gurley was clearly playing hurt.  Teams ignored play action and sent heat after Goff.  His production from PA was far less effective. 

Going to create a thread to discuss this. Teams are countering play action in one specific way; we saw the Browns do it alot in week 1.

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Yea, would have liked to see more play action on 1st down and with Humphries and Brown providing some help for Davis along with Walker it should be money (should have a good match up somewhere).  Need to do it a little more often.  

 

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13 minutes ago, oldschool said:

Going to create a thread to discuss this. Teams are countering play action in one specific way; we saw the Browns do it alot in week 1.

 

image.png.218eb2f07bf02140f1c9c34c5b1964b5.pngRegarding what @BudAdams posted about teams countering the Rams.......

 

We also saw the Steelers do it to the Titans in PSGIII last year.

 

The Steelers all out pass rushed and really blew up Mariota as he went through the fake hand offs and totally nullified the play action. A playaction takes more time to develop so rushing against it is really effective. 

 

Once the Titans completed the screen pass and got a two score leads the Browns had to respect the run and couldn't do what the Steelers did. 

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