Is Art Smith More Mularkey or LaFleur?

[freakingeek]

Just now, Pragidealist said:

Thanks for the reference. It was a good read.  One of the things they've talked about in the past was Mariota's ability to call and change things at the line.   I wonder how many of these were straight calls by Smith and how many were things MM recognized and got right.   Just a thought

It would be interesting to know. Smith certainly has paid his dues and waited for his opportunity. I think he's the only remaining staff member from the old days now that the Turk is gone. Smith has also learned under some great offensive minded coaches in his time here.

[SuperFreak90]

Smith is more like Mularkey 

[earlers]

No I see Mouse Davis in there

 

 

[tgo]

11 minutes ago, Pragidealist said:

Thanks for the reference. It was a good read.  One of the things they've talked about in the past was Mariota's ability to call and change things at the line.   I wonder how many of these were straight calls by Smith and how many were things MM recognized and got right.   Just a thought

 

This is a good point actually - LaFleur/McVay are notorious for not having audibles, and this was a huge point of contention for Rodgers and LaFleur all offseason. They had a huge power struggle over this in Green Bay which Rodgers ultimately won. 

 

Despite endless debate to the contrary, Mularkey had a pretty robust audible regime in place for Marcus on most plays, so maybe Smith takes that aspect and makes it better. 

Edited September 10 by tgo

[TitanDuckFan]

27 minutes ago, BudAdams said:

 

This concept/type of play was used a lot under Mularkey/Robskie.  Part of why they had the #1 red zone offense in 2016.  The last time before Sunday that Mariota had 3 or more touchdowns passing? With Robiskie calling the plays.

The concept(s) are the same.  Every playbook in the NFL shares 90+% of the same plays.  We all know this, you included.

The playcalling, and the choices and timing of the playcalls are what make the difference.

If Robiskie was worth a shit as a playcaller, he'd still be doing it.

He's not.

He killed more drives than Bishop Sankey.

Edited September 10 by TitanDuckFan

[Alcibiades]

Agreed, but Smith seemed to show better situational awareness than we've seen in recent years. I particularly like the way he changed things up on first down. I don't know the exact stats, but I only recall thinking "I saw that play coming" a few times, whereas in the past I could have predicted like half the plays, which is a bad thing.

[rns90]

1 hour ago, big2033 said:

 

Then you're going to see Mariota get smoked and everyone will start blaming the o-line.

The WR's will also get a bulk of the blame for not being able to catch those bad passes that some around here deem "catchable".

[BudAdams]

10 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said:

The concept(s) are the same.  Every playbook in the NFL shares 90+% of the same plays.  We all know this, you included.

The playcalling, and the choices and timing of the playcalls are what make the difference.

If Robiskie was worth a shit as a playcaller, he'd still be doing it.

He's not.

He killed more drives than Bishop Sankey.

 

Explain the red zone success in 2016 if he was such a moron?  Their success rate for the season was the same as the other day.

[Maker84]

Smith has by far been our most wide open OC we’ve ever had. He makes sure to establish a blend of run and pass and doesn’t try to ever be too predictable and run into walls when teams are loading up against the run. 

[bizzyeddie]

5 minutes ago, BudAdams said:

 

Explain the red zone success in 2016 if he was such a moron?  Their success rate for the season was the same as the other day.

Murray maybe?

Was great to see tds yesterday...big issue last year

[Thrill]

Well I think it's a good move to have some big Boom or Bust plays sprinkled in throughout the normal offense. Last year the only unique plays we had were end arounds and wild cats. We through it one time to Mariota to rub our balls on the patriots, but other than that it never seemed like we pulled out any clever plays to catch the defenses off guard. 

 

The patriots often do flee flickers or move receivers to running back. They used to do TE running plays. "Trick" plays can be useful if you're normal offense is still effective. 

[BudAdams]

6 minutes ago, Maker84 said:

Smith has by far been our most wide open OC we’ve ever had. He makes sure to establish a blend of run and pass and doesn’t try to ever be too predictable and run into walls when teams are loading up against the run. 

 

I don't know if you can say that from ONE game. 

[BudAdams]

8 minutes ago, bizzyeddie said:

Murray maybe?

Was great to see tds yesterday...big issue last year

 

The difference in the RZ performances in 2016 versus 2017 and 2018 were in the passing game. 

 

In 2017/2018, plenty of plays were open but not executed whether it be the QB, receiver, or protection. 

 

I love what Smith did but the irony is that the RZ play calls were exactly like we saw under Mularkey/Robiskie. 

[TitanDuckFan]

26 minutes ago, BudAdams said:

 

Explain the red zone success in 2016 if he was such a moron?  Their success rate for the season was the same as the other day.

In 2016 under Russ Grimm the O-Line and pass-pro was exceptional.

 

Your turn.

Explain why Robiskie isn't calling plays somewhere else if he was that good.

 

Hell, he got fired at his last gig as a receiver's coach/passing game coordinator.

The rest is just noise, and misguided opinions.

[AvgJoe]

Smith is an upgrade to LaFleur. That’s some of the best news from the win.