earlers Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 No I see Mouse Davis in there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted September 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Pragidealist said: Thanks for the reference. It was a good read. One of the things they've talked about in the past was Mariota's ability to call and change things at the line. I wonder how many of these were straight calls by Smith and how many were things MM recognized and got right. Just a thought This is a good point actually - LaFleur/McVay are notorious for not having audibles, and this was a huge point of contention for Rodgers and LaFleur all offseason. They had a huge power struggle over this in Green Bay which Rodgers ultimately won. Despite endless debate to the contrary, Mularkey had a pretty robust audible regime in place for Marcus on most plays, so maybe Smith takes that aspect and makes it better. Edited September 10, 2019 by tgo Pragidealist, freakingeek, Justafan, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TitanDuckFan Posted September 10, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, BudAdams said: This concept/type of play was used a lot under Mularkey/Robskie. Part of why they had the #1 red zone offense in 2016. The last time before Sunday that Mariota had 3 or more touchdowns passing? With Robiskie calling the plays. The concept(s) are the same. Every playbook in the NFL shares 90+% of the same plays. We all know this, you included. The playcalling, and the choices and timing of the playcalls are what make the difference. If Robiskie was worth a shit as a playcaller, he'd still be doing it. He's not. He killed more drives than Bishop Sankey. Edited September 10, 2019 by TitanDuckFan Justafan, NashvilleNinja, Mythos27, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcibiades Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Agreed, but Smith seemed to show better situational awareness than we've seen in recent years. I particularly like the way he changed things up on first down. I don't know the exact stats, but I only recall thinking "I saw that play coming" a few times, whereas in the past I could have predicted like half the plays, which is a bad thing. Pragidealist, TitanDuckFan, NashvilleNinja, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, big2033 said: Then you're going to see Mariota get smoked and everyone will start blaming the o-line. The WR's will also get a bulk of the blame for not being able to catch those bad passes that some around here deem "catchable". big2033, and OILERMAN 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said: The concept(s) are the same. Every playbook in the NFL shares 90+% of the same plays. We all know this, you included. The playcalling, and the choices and timing of the playcalls are what make the difference. If Robiskie was worth a shit as a playcaller, he'd still be doing it. He's not. He killed more drives than Bishop Sankey. Explain the red zone success in 2016 if he was such a moron? Their success rate for the season was the same as the other day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzyeddie Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, BudAdams said: Explain the red zone success in 2016 if he was such a moron? Their success rate for the season was the same as the other day. Murray maybe? Was great to see tds yesterday...big issue last year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Well I think it's a good move to have some big Boom or Bust plays sprinkled in throughout the normal offense. Last year the only unique plays we had were end arounds and wild cats. We through it one time to Mariota to rub our balls on the patriots, but other than that it never seemed like we pulled out any clever plays to catch the defenses off guard. The patriots often do flee flickers or move receivers to running back. They used to do TE running plays. "Trick" plays can be useful if you're normal offense is still effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Maker84 said: Smith has by far been our most wide open OC we’ve ever had. He makes sure to establish a blend of run and pass and doesn’t try to ever be too predictable and run into walls when teams are loading up against the run. I don't know if you can say that from ONE game. OILERMAN, and oldschool 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, bizzyeddie said: Murray maybe? Was great to see tds yesterday...big issue last year The difference in the RZ performances in 2016 versus 2017 and 2018 were in the passing game. In 2017/2018, plenty of plays were open but not executed whether it be the QB, receiver, or protection. I love what Smith did but the irony is that the RZ play calls were exactly like we saw under Mularkey/Robiskie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, BudAdams said: Explain the red zone success in 2016 if he was such a moron? Their success rate for the season was the same as the other day. In 2016 under Russ Grimm the O-Line and pass-pro was exceptional. Your turn. Explain why Robiskie isn't calling plays somewhere else if he was that good. Hell, he got fired at his last gig as a receiver's coach/passing game coordinator. The rest is just noise, and misguided opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Smith is an upgrade to LaFleur. That’s some of the best news from the win. SuperFreak90, NashvilleNinja, and SleepingTitan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 I was fine with the Smith hire and think he'll do a good job but we need to see 3-4 games. Anyone remember Whiz opening in KC or against TB? Justafan, Alcibiades, japan, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted September 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: I was fine with the Smith hire and think he'll do a good job but we need to see 3-4 games. Anyone remember Whiz opening in KC or against TB? True, opponent didn't have any real film on Mariota in Whisenhunt's offense at that point. Similar to Smith, but given that Smith likely has a more heavily schemed passing game play to play hopefully that advantage doesn't go away for a little while in this situation. And play action is play action, nothing you can do to "scheme" against that outside of blitzing which can be countered as we saw. I think this Indy game we're going to see about 10 short zone beater passes to Humphries and another half dozen or more to Delanie sitting in zones. Edited September 10, 2019 by tgo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, TitanDuckFan said: In 2016 under Russ Grimm the O-Line and pass-pro was exceptional. Your turn. Explain why Robiskie isn't calling plays somewhere else if he was that good. Hell, he got fired at his last gig as a receiver's coach/passing game coordinator. The rest is just noise, and misguided opinions. The issue is play design and calls and in 2016, it worked. That's not debatable. In 2017, it didn't for a variety of reasons - OL play, RB play, Quarterback play. The same issues existed with LaFluer (actually RZ was worse). Claiming he didn't understand situational football is just asinine. I'm not saying he's a great OC but there are plenty of examples where the coaches are the same and results vary year to year. Also, we have literally one game of a sample size for Smith. I'd perhaps wait to see how things unfold. Given he's so much better than Robiskie and the talent level across the board is so good, we should expect the #1 RZ offense right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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