bizzyeddie Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, BudAdams said: What is abundantly clear is that the passing game is going to be heavily reliant on play action or scheme to maximize the efficiency of MM (or minimize the deficiencies of MM). When they did do straight drop backs, it was ugly as Romo pointed out. I think they will be reliant on play action which makes perfect sense especially if teams are keying on Henry...and he is running with some success. as far as scheming goes I think that is exactly what this team under Vrabel wants to be...able to change up based on opponent and what is working. Not stuck in any one mold. That's straight from his time with NE IMO. After rewatching game I don't think anything was particularly ugly...somethings not quite where they needed to be but it was week 1 and on the road. They did some straight drop backs and I think they will continue to do it. Not like they just figured out that it's not Mariota's strength. titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TitanDuckFan Posted September 10, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Mythos27 said: He's definitely more Mularkey and that's a good thing. Mularkey's run scheme was brilliant and very intricately designed, it was his passing game that left a lot to be desired. Smith seems to be able to marry a comparable running game with a much better passing game. The other big difference is his timing/feel for the game as a play caller. He was absolutely brilliant yesterday and kept the Browns off balance all game. I'm more excited about Smith than any other individual performance we saw yesterday. That's situational football and was something Robiskie just wasn't good at. Defenses and their personnel show abilities and deficiencies and tendencies throughout a game and a season, and Robiskie either wasn't good at recognizing those or didn't bother calling plays to exploit them. He seemed dead set on using a handful of his favorite plays insisting that they'd eventually pop. It was a recipe for disaster. He mentioned a few times how he and Mularkey would argue about it later, but it never improved. I still say Mularkey could have saved his job if not for his devotion to Robiskie. The problem was far more playcalling than it was scheme related. Titans279, No1TitansFan, nine, and 5 others 5 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Add that Mariota has always been a lot better passing with play action. Fits with both Mularkey and LaFleur..... freakingeek 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post titanruss Posted September 10, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, BudAdams said: What is abundantly clear is that the passing game is going to be heavily reliant on play action or scheme to maximize the efficiency of MM (or minimize the deficiencies of MM). When they did do straight drop backs, it was ugly as Romo pointed out. I know this came up in another discussion but play action can work without the run game working but you have to be doing both from the same personnel grouping/formations to keep teams honest. Late in the year, the Rams faced this problem after Gurley was clearly playing hurt. Teams ignored play action and sent heat after Goff. His production from PA was far less effective. Romo never said that. Never said Anything close to that He said we can do straight drop backs against that front 7 with a beat up line. We need to slow them down with PA and screens. He never said our pass game was ugly or mariota dropping straight back was an ugly offense. CreepingDeath, SleepingTitan, Bluth, and 4 others 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) Mularkey was never the issue (schematically), it was fantastic for a QB to get wide open looks when the defense keys in so much on the run game. The problem was Robiskie. Edited September 10, 2019 by wiscotitansfan tgo, Justafan, TitanDuckFan, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, TitanDuckFan said: That's situational football and was something Robiskie just wasn't good at. Defenses and their personnel show abilities and deficiencies and tendencies throughout a game and a season, and Robiskie either wasn't good at recognizing those or didn't bother calling plays to exploit them. He seemed dead set on using a handful of his favorite plays insisting that they'd eventually pop. It was a recipe for disaster. He mentioned a few times how he and Mularkey would argue about it later, but it never improved. I still say Mularkey could have saved his job if not for his devotion to Robiskie. The problem was far more playcalling than it was scheme related. This is basically true for Whiz, Robiskie, and LaFleur to some extent. They were married to their systems, stuck in their ways, and it shows. Smith is hopefully not an ideologue and can be more flexible in game planning and during the game also (which is truly what Vrabel wants). After one game I'm not going to say it's true, but I'm optimistic based on what I saw and I'm hearing. Edited September 10, 2019 by Titans279 No1TitansFan, and TitanDuckFan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tgo Posted September 10, 2019 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Something getting lost in all this as well is the presence of Todd Downing on the staff who is an offensive savant of sorts. Creative former OC who is now the TE coach but is very heavily involved in the passing game especially. japan, Bluth, TitanDuckFan, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, titanruss said: Romo never said that. Never said Anything close to that He said we can do straight drop backs against that front 7 with a beat up line. We need to slow them down with PA and screens. He never said our pass game was ugly or mariota dropping straight back was an ugly offense. Romo said "Tennessee is not going to drop back to pass and beat you". Kelly at LT was part of it but we all know MM is way more productive from play action or a quick throw. Passing from a clean pocket is not his game. On the very next play (3rd and long), Mariota missed a wide open Sharpe for a first down from a clean pocket with no pressure. This isn't something new as this has been the case for years now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewsToTom Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 3 hours ago, tgo said: This is what I was wondering, thanks for that insight. I agree on the last two points as well. Any idea on percentage of zone vs power? Can anyone else that really knows scheme chime in on how much power vs zone we used as well? @Face @NewsToTom It's something I noted for when I get a chance to watch the all-22 (maybe tonight), but didn't track it live. Overall, "this feels more Mularkey-ish" was a feeling I had during the game, and from looking at the results (stretch of really productive play vs longer periods lacking consistent effectiveness), but "this feels" live thoughts aren't normally something I want to privilege. tgo, OILERMAN, Justafan, and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted September 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, NewsToTom said: It's something I noted for when I get a chance to watch the all-22 (maybe tonight), but didn't track it live. Overall, "this feels more Mularkey-ish" was a feeling I had during the game, and from looking at the results (stretch of really productive play vs longer periods lacking consistent effectiveness), but "this feels" live thoughts aren't normally something I want to privilege. Interesting Tom. Come back and educate us once you've watched the all 22 and let us know your thoughts on the overall scheme and similarities/differences to LaFleur/Mularkey! I'd love to hear your further insight. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OILERMAN Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 At least in this game there was max protect, play action, 2 man routes, pre snap defined reads. All the successful pass plays he knew where he was going. The problems will arise if they fall behind or get behind the chains a lot tgo, rns90, and big2033 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 minute ago, OILERMAN said: At least in this game there was max protect, play action, 2 man routes, pre snap defined reads. All the successful pass plays he knew where he was going. The problems will arise if they fall behind or get behind the chains a lot Then you're going to see Mariota get smoked and everyone will start blaming the o-line. OILERMAN, and rns90 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: At least in this game there was max protect, play action, 2 man routes, pre snap defined reads. All the successful pass plays he knew where he was going. The problems will arise if they fall behind or get behind the chains a lot It wasn't max protect as much as they chipped Garrett a ton. On the first 2 drives they ran plays twice where there was trips right on top of Garrett and he got chipped by a couple of guys. Humphries in particular. Brilliant and very Mularkey-esque Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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