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Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution

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4 hours ago, Little Earl said:

Nothing you wrote is true.   They have no idea the real age of the universe or earth.  They make assumptions in their estimates that could very well be completely wrong.   Adam was the first man and Eve was the first woman.

Are you sure the other religions aren't correct?  There are many stories that explain the origins of the universe as well as humans.  Near the Middle East (if that's your preferred origin location) also has the Greeks and Egyptians that are fairly popular.  If you feel a sense of patriotism (or nationalism as the Cons love it), the Aztecs and other native civilizations also told of how the world came about.  The Chinese have their stories, too.  ...And Japan.  ...And African civilizations.  ...Pretty much any and all civilization passed down stories.

 

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If God exists, and if God created the universe, and if evolution is the process by which the universe was formed and operates then... it's safe to say that evolution is God's mechanism. Evolution would be the real creationism.

 

I just can't absorb the idea that the universe/existence/consciousness came into being all by its lonesome out of absolutely nothing... and by nothing I mean not even the concept of nothing. Not even "nothingness". No atoms/raw material, no energy, no light, no dark, no direction, no non-direction. And then all of the sudden... there's an "all of the sudden"? How does an evolutionary biologist explain that? By saying that atoms/raw material and energy have always existed in some form and "one day" a bazillion years ago they just happened to rub each other the wrong way and KABOOM? Ok... then define "always", "some form", and just how the fuck you measure both of those in relation to each other via the scientific method.

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1 hour ago, NashvilleNinja said:

If God exists, and if God created the universe, and if evolution is the process by which the universe was formed and operates then... it's safe to say that evolution is God's mechanism. Evolution would be the real creationism.

 

I just can't absorb the idea that the universe/existence/consciousness came into being all by its lonesome out of absolutely nothing... and by nothing I mean not even the concept of nothing. Not even "nothingness". No atoms/raw material, no energy, no light, no dark, no direction, no non-direction. And then all of the sudden... there's an "all of the sudden"? How does an evolutionary biologist explain that? By saying that atoms/raw material and energy have always existed in some form and "one day" a bazillion years ago they just happened to rub each other the wrong way and KABOOM? Ok... then define "always", "some form", and just how the fuck you measure both of those in relation to each other via the scientific method.

That's not what science claims. It's what atheists like SK claim. Believing in science and evolution doesnt mean you dont believe in a higher power. It's the fundies like soxcat and earl who peddle that nonsense because they are brainwashed washed to believe in fairy tales like Adam and Eve.

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2 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said:

I just can't absorb the idea that the universe/existence/consciousness came into being all by its lonesome out of absolutely nothing... and by nothing I mean not even the concept of nothing. Not even "nothingness". No atoms/raw material, no energy, no light, no dark, no direction, no non-direction. And then all of the sudden... there's an "all of the sudden"? How does an evolutionary biologist explain that? By saying that atoms/raw material and energy have always existed in some form and "one day" a bazillion years ago they just happened to rub each other the wrong way and KABOOM? Ok... then define "always", "some form", and just how the fuck you measure both of those in relation to each other via the scientific method.

Where did god come from to create the universe then?

 

If it doesn’t blow your mind that an omnipotent being can just exist with no concern of an origin then there is zero reason to have your mind blown about the origins of anything else in our existence. 

 

 

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On 8/15/2019 at 8:45 AM, Little Earl said:

That's mighty ignorant of you oldschool.   Btw, creation science is real, but since you don't want to believe in it, you are a denier.

There is no such thing as creation science. That is theology not science.

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23 minutes ago, WG53 said:

There is no such thing as creation science. That is theology not science.

Wrong.   There is science behind much of it.   This website proves that.

 

https://www.creationscience.com/

 

science:  A field of study, using observations and experiments, to better understand natural phenomena.

Scientific conclusions, while never final, must be based on evidence.

scientific evidence: Verifiable measurements or observations that support or oppose possible physical explanations.

 

The website/book provides numerous evidence that is based on observable, natural phenomena that others can check.   To most people, this evidence implies a creation and a global flood.   This does not mean that the Creator (The First Cause) can be studied scientifically.

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19 minutes ago, Little Earl said:

Wrong.   There is science behind much of it.   This website proves that.

 

https://www.creationscience.com/

 

science:  A field of study, using observations and experiments, to better understand natural phenomena.

Scientific conclusions, while never final, must be based on evidence.

scientific evidence: Verifiable measurements or observations that support or oppose possible physical explanations.

 

The website/book provides numerous evidence that is based on observable, natural phenomena that others can check.   To most people, this evidence implies a creation and a global flood.   This does not mean that the Creator (The First Cause) can be studied scientifically.

No, I'm not wrong. You are talking about theology not science.  You can bullshit all you want but creationism is not science.

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3 hours ago, Little Earl said:

Wrong.   There is science behind much of it.   This website proves that.

 

https://www.creationscience.com/

 

science:  A field of study, using observations and experiments, to better understand natural phenomena.

Scientific conclusions, while never final, must be based on evidence.

scientific evidence: Verifiable measurements or observations that support or oppose possible physical explanations.

 

The website/book provides numerous evidence that is based on observable, natural phenomena that others can check.   To most people, this evidence implies a creation and a global flood.   This does not mean that the Creator (The First Cause) can be studied scientifically.

Thats not a serious website. Please post some legit sources if you are going to peddle in this bullshit.

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3 hours ago, oldschool said:

Thats not a serious website. Please post some legit sources if you are going to peddle in this bullshit.

Spoken by someone who did not look at the site.  It is a website of a book that is very serious, produces numerous facts and observations, and backs everything with references.  IT IS science.   

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6 hours ago, WG53 said:

No, I'm not wrong. You are talking about theology not science.  You can bullshit all you want but creationism is not science.

Evolution is just a theory.   You can use science for certain aspects of creationism as well as evolution.

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17 minutes ago, Little Earl said:

Evolution is just a theory.   You can use science for certain aspects of creationism as well as evolution.

You are scientifically illiterate. 

 

Anyone that says "it's just a theory" has no clue what those words mean.

 

And again, creationism is theology. It is no where near science.

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2 hours ago, Little Earl said:

Evolution is just a theory.   

Exactly, evolution is a scientific theory. Thus you admit, by definition, that evolution is “a coherent group of propositions formulated to explain a group of facts or phenomena in the natural world and repeatedly confirmed through experiment or observation

 

 

2 hours ago, Little Earl said:

You can use science for certain aspects of creationism as well as evolution.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

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The theory of god is debatable.  I respect anyone's desire to have faith in their own way.  Deeply personal and so I won't really go there but there are myriad valid opinions on who God is, what he/she wants, why they put us here and if they exist at all.  

 

The theory of evolution really isn't.  There is only one valid opinion on evolution and that's the one that has stood up to the scientific method for 150 years and not the one that was immediately discredited by the scientific community and has been widely condemned as quackery.  Evolution is real and to deny it is just as ignorant as claiming the earth is 6000 years old, flat, the center of the universe, or claiming that gravity is still just a theory.  You want to debate your version of God, cool.  I can respect that.  You will never be taken seriously by any intelligent person spouting about things like creationism though.  

 

As far as the core of what people are arguing... In my opinion, it's best summed up by Marcus Aurelius: 

 

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them.  If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

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