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Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution

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1 hour ago, oldschool said:

evolution which has already stood the test of time. 

Forget about the conspiratorial shit or biased academics. How long was the flat earth theory widely accepted before it was discarded? Darwin's theory has been around for 160 years. Maybe it'll always be what it is. Or maybe in 50 years it will be morphed into something else. I guess future generations will see one way or the other.

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OzTitan   

Classic case of coming to something with your mind made up and shaping things to reinforce that. What always amazes me about these types is they simply can't resist the big finish. It's never a slow burn or methodical, it's clumsy and sensational. Every time. "Basically the conclusion is that Darwin's theory is wrong and can't be right". lol.

 

Darwin's theory is so fundamental and obvious, it would be as universally accepted as gravity or electricity (if it isn't effectively already, but humor me) if it wasn't for one little problem - it impacts on the world view of a few interest groups. It's a good thing God wasn't too insistent on Earth being the center of the universe, wasn't it?

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17 hours ago, 9 Nines said:

What is new with it?  It seems the same old argument - the odds are so high that the world is where it is. And it seems the same crowd making it: a conservative organization, Hoover Institution,  with a panel of authors published by a conservative publisher, Claremont Institute. 

I haven't watched the video.  However, if this is a mathematical game to simply show the odds are high, how does that then show that intelligent design is then the correct answer?  What are the odds of religion being correct?  Is "faith" a better number?  Is this seriously the "proof" offered up?  

 

15 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said:

Forget about the conspiratorial shit or biased academics. How long was the flat earth theory widely accepted before it was discarded? Darwin's theory has been around for 160 years. Maybe it'll always be what it is. Or maybe in 50 years it will be morphed into something else. I guess future generations will see one way or the other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

 

Ancient Greeks put forth the spherical Earth way back.  Intro to above link:

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The myth of the flat Earth is a modern misconception that Earth was believed to be flat rather than spherical by scholars and the educated during the Middle Ages in Europe.[1][2][3]

During the Early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint, which had been first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among educated Europeans was almost nonexistent, despite fanciful depictions in art, such as the exterior of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights, in which a disc-shaped Earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere. [4][3]

According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat Earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[5] Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".[6]

Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-Earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over biological evolution. Russell claims "with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the Earth was flat", and ascribes popularization of the flat-Earth myth to histories by John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White, and Washington Irving.[2][7][8]

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Unless you think historians have a conspiracy to back-date the round earth idea.  (Just like all the dinosaur fossils are planted by scientists!!)

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Soxcat   

It comes down to this.  If you are as closed minded and anti-intellectual as Starkiller this video is not for you so continue to post without watching but you are wasting our time.  If you have an interest in intellectual conversation on the subject watch it.  

 

20 hours ago, Starkiller said:

Anyone hear how Sir Isaac Newton is being ridiculed today because he didn’t have access to modern mathematics or astrometric data? Ha, what a maroon...

Actually yes.  Newton was wrong.  His predictions were adequate for HS textbooks but not for more advanced mathematics on gravity.  

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1 minute ago, Soxcat said:

Actually yes.  Newton was wrong.  His predictions were adequate for HS textbooks but not for more advanced mathematics on gravity.  

Thus gravity isn’t real???

 

I figured you’d grab at this. No, Newton developed an early scientific basis for gravity that was improved upon as people like Einstein had more data to work from.

 

So did Darwin nail evolution? No, he couldn’t explain how it worked. That wasn’t the point. He figured out the basics correctly in that evolution is a natural process based on survival of the fittest. But the fact that he didn’t have modern genetics data to explain how it worked doesn’t alter the fact that Darwin was correct in the basics of his theory of evolution. 

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14 hours ago, Starkiller said:

Thus gravity isn’t real???

 

I figured you’d grab at this. No, Newton developed an early scientific basis for gravity that was improved upon as people like Einstein had more data to work from.

 

So did Darwin nail evolution? No, he couldn’t explain how it worked. That wasn’t the point. He figured out the basics correctly in that evolution is a natural process based on survival of the fittest. But the fact that he didn’t have modern genetics data to explain how it worked doesn’t alter the fact that Darwin was correct in the basics of his theory of evolution. 

Gravity and Natural Selection have zero in common moron.  Putting you "faith" in Darwin's theory of natural selection as the reason for diversity is not real smart knowing what we now know.  Not really Darwin's fault but his "theory" doesn't add up.  He isn't correct.  What do you stand to gain by this anyway?   Is that your god?  

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On ‎8‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 7:40 AM, oldschool said:

The earth is 5000 years old!

Better chance of that than all life evolved to what it is today from nothing.  

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1 hour ago, Starkiller said:

Did anyone not figure this was just some anti-evolution attempt by our local evangelical nut?

Only someone hell bent on believing an incredibly improbable explanation for life as we know it would say something like that.   

 

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3 minutes ago, Little Earl said:

Better chance of that than all life evolved to what it is today from nothing.  

continue to show your ignorance as well. Eve was born from Adam's rib! Stop embarrassing yourself. 

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3 minutes ago, oldschool said:

continue to show your ignorance as well. Eve was born from Adam's rib! Stop embarrassing yourself. 

Stop embarrassing yourself trying to explain away God.   You fall way short every time.  Takes more faith to believe in evolution and whatever lame theory they come up with to explain the creation of the universe, then to believe in God.   Lol at the multiverse theory!

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9 minutes ago, Little Earl said:

Only someone hell bent on believing an incredibly improbable explanation for life as we know it would say something like that.   

 

Some of us like knowing how things work.

 

Simpletons like you are satisfied with “god did it...”

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