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Cloudfare terminates its contract with 8chan


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This is an interesting time to be alive, which I imagine any person who has ever lived could say. Technology has far outpaced its creators and handlers. 

 

Cloudfare removed their contract from 8chan because they saw the website as a cesspool. Their reasoning can be found here https://blog.cloudflare.com/terminating-service-for-8chan/

 

The internet as a whole has pushed the envelope of how humans interact. People are constantly tied to it every day, many (most?) as a major function of their daily life. 

 

If you read the comments on the link above you will see what I would consider a major blind spot for those who support these types of places. Cloudfare is an international organization and has every right to terminate the contract. 

 

At the same time, it begs the question, which Cloudfare poses in the link in a roundabout way, the fact there is such little regulation on these websites as to leave them as a company in a massive grey area. Are they as a private entity supposed to regulate these websites?

 

This is a legitimate cause for discussion from all sides. What is the end reach of the internet? Where is the line drawn? Look at countries like China and North Korea who essentially run an intranet and filter everything to their people. Is that what we want? I don’t think so, but at the same time I don’t disagree whatsoever with their decision to terminate the contract with 8chan or with Stormfront.

 

8chan will continue to exist, and it will continue to service the incels of the world, promote violence, hate, racism, child porn, and act as a platform for mass murderers. We live in a time where some things will have to be solved, because as of now extremism is winning the day, at least in my opinion. 

 

As a slightly personal note, I felt it very strange that I directly said to my girlfriend today ‘if you hear shooting, just run. Don’t worry about anyone else. Get out of there. Know your surroundings.’ Maybe that’s kind of ridiculous, but it doesn’t feel like it is anymore. The discussion needs to start, and it cannot begin until people stop seeing one another as enemies. The real enemies are amongst us, those who would indiscriminately kill people. 

 

Ive also seen this made analogous to gang violence. Well, they’re synonymous in a lot of ways. Both need to be dealt with. But the actions and how they’re carried out have such different impetuses as to make them wholly different. There’s no solutions without an actual discussion. I doubt we can have one here, but these are my thoughts after thinking and reading about it all. 

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Just a small correction, but it was The Daily Stormer that Cloudflare kicked off. Stormfront remains on Cloudflare to this day. So does the original 8chan inspiration, 4chan.

 

I don't have any problems with a private company reserving their right to create a ToS and remove customers that violate it. But of course these platforms are just providing an outlet for the already damaged and deranged, it's really just a small gesture on Cloudflare's part.

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6 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

Just a small correction, but it was The Daily Stormer that Cloudflare kicked off. Stormfront remains on Cloudflare to this day. So does the original 8chan inspiration, 4chan.

 

I don't have any problems with a private company reserving their right to create a ToS and remove customers that violate it. But of course these platforms are just providing an outlet for the already damaged and deranged, it's really just a small gesture on Cloudflare's part.

I read a post saying they had the right to seize the domain, at least temporarily. 

 

If they also host the domain/DNS at you as a registrar, you should disable out-transfer and seize the domain by setting it as disabled, and then transfer the domain to your own name. That can be done with the admin panel - causing the domain to cease to be in 8chans possession.

Disabling out-transfer is easy as having a facility to disable the possibility to request an EPP code from your interface. The transfer to your own name is required to prevent 8chan from requesting an emergency EPP code from the registry.

To then terminate the domain and permanently set it as disabled, contact the registry, and they will be able to do it. State terms of service violation as reason to disable the domain, and they will help you out.

 

Is that correct? 

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7 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

it's really just a small gesture on Cloudflare's part.

That it is. Baby steps. We are to the point where we have to shame people into being people. We have to shame the politicians into enacting some sort of legislation that provides these types of companies a blueprint. 

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4 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I read a post saying they had the right to seize the domain, at least temporarily. 

 

If they also host the domain/DNS at you as a registrar, you should disable out-transfer and seize the domain by setting it as disabled, and then transfer the domain to your own name. That can be done with the admin panel - causing the domain to cease to be in 8chans possession.

Disabling out-transfer is easy as having a facility to disable the possibility to request an EPP code from your interface. The transfer to your own name is required to prevent 8chan from requesting an emergency EPP code from the registry.

To then terminate the domain and permanently set it as disabled, contact the registry, and they will be able to do it. State terms of service violation as reason to disable the domain, and they will help you out.

 

Is that correct? 

I believe in the Daily Stormer's case, their domain registrant did seize their domain under reasons of ToS violations. It basically just means the owner no longer has the ability to define which server the domain points to. As a result I think they ended up only being accessible via the Tor network.

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Now, these ppl will continue their attacks, and taking this away will make it tougher for our intelligence agencies to track this shit and possibly prevent it. 

 

As I said, we should be so lucky there are idiots dumb enough to tell the public what they plan to do before they do it. 

 

Guess we just have too many agents pretending to be little girls on the internet to entrap pedos. 

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2 hours ago, Former_Fan said:

What exactly is 8chan? I honestly had never heard about it until the other day. 

Chans are near-totally-anonymous message/image boards. 2chan was the original board that started back in Japan a long time ago. Then an american/western version of 2 chan was created - 4chan. 8chan was created after 2chan and 4chan if I recall. It is the much more extreme site.

 

As for "what is a chan?"...There is a big difference between the various 'chan' boards (8chan, 4chan, 2chan, etc) and a traditional message board like here or even reddit.

 

On this site you have a user name, and all comments are tied to that. A chan board doesn't have that, so everything said is difficult to trace to an individual.

 

Naturally, this lends lots of assholes posting as people have much more bravado when they can't be traced as well, as there are no social cues to discourage this behavior. This means that the individual chans have their own unique cultures overall as well.

 

8chan is pretty infamous for recent shooters leaving manifesto-like documents, however. They also had issues with child porn and other hot-button/raunchy issues. 4chan had this issue as well a decade or so ago to a lesser degree, and is much cleaner overall. I still avoid both.

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1 hour ago, TitansFan777 said:

Chans are near-totally-anonymous message/image boards. 2chan was the original board that started back in Japan a long time ago. Then an american/western version of 2 chan was created - 4chan. 8chan was created after 2chan and 4chan if I recall. It is the much more extreme site.

 

As for "what is a chan?"...There is a big difference between the various 'chan' boards (8chan, 4chan, 2chan, etc) and a traditional message board like here or even reddit.

 

On this site you have a user name, and all comments are tied to that. A chan board doesn't have that, so everything said is difficult to trace to an individual.

 

Naturally, this lends lots of assholes posting as people have much more bravado when they can't be traced as well, as there are no social cues to discourage this behavior. This means that the individual chans have their own unique cultures overall as well.

 

8chan is pretty infamous for recent shooters leaving manifesto-like documents, however. They also had issues with child porn and other hot-button/raunchy issues. 4chan had this issue as well a decade or so ago to a lesser degree, and is much cleaner overall. I still avoid both.

The exact response I was looking for. Thanks. Shutting down or heavily moderating sites like this would be a start against violence. 

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4 hours ago, Former_Fan said:

What exactly is 8chan? I honestly had never heard about it until the other day. 

Child porn central. Nationalists central. That place even 4chan people stay away from.  I want to say Google removed it I read somewhere from search but I might be wrong. Stay away from both IMO.

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3 hours ago, Somedude said:

Child porn central. Nationalists central. That place even 4chan people stay away from.  I want to say Google removed it I read somewhere from search but I might be wrong. Stay away from both IMO.

Look who's swimming in the same cove.  Maybe, the government should make a decision about what's right and wrong.  Kiddie Porn.  Subway Jared got drug through the media as a sleaze for going to kiddie porn sites and also taking the next step-sex w/minors.

 

Decide what's legal, then start taking action against individuals who use these sites.  I wouldn't even open a kiddie porn site to see what the hell was there out of curiosity because I don't want to get in trouble.

 

@ctm has been posting research showing how the government has relaxed efforts to stop domestic terrorist activity.  I think if POTUS had also stopped efforts to stop kiddie porn, people would be alarmed.  Two Hundred Fifty-One mass shooting in America.

 

Two Hundred Fifty-One

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