Training Camp Discussion

[OILERMAN]

24 minutes ago, patsplat said:

- pick up elite players who slide because of injury

Davis didn't slide though

[pat]

4 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

Davis didn't slide though

Yeah I don't agree with WR high.  But it certainly seems like JRob doesn't care about injuries as much as other GMs.  Especially after seeing RonB Gronkowski pay off.

Edited August 4, 2019 by patsplat

[TheBukafax]

4 hours ago, patsplat said:

Yeah I don't agree with WR high.  But it certainly seems like JRob doesn't care about injuries as much as other GMs.  Especially after seeing Ron Gronkowski pay off.

Rob Jaworski Ron Gronkowski tomato tamato

[OILERMAN]

4 hours ago, patsplat said:

Yeah I don't agree with WR high.  But it certainly seems like JRob doesn't care about injuries as much as other GMs.  Especially after seeing Ron Gronkowski pay off.

I think it comes down more to value.

 

Robinson traded for Murray when his value was rock bottom. 

 

Robinson drafted Simmons when his value was much higher than the Titans draft position

 

He traded DGB when he still had some value, overpriced value

 

 

[pat]

33 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

I think it comes down more to value.

 

Robinson traded for Murray when his value was rock bottom. 

 

Robinson drafted Simmons when his value was much higher than the Titans draft position

 

He traded DGB when he still had some value, overpriced value

His value modifier for injury is definitely much lower than others.  Given the cheap long nature of rookie first rounders it may make more sense.  Better to pick a great player who's useless his rookie season, than a combine wonder who ends up sucking the whole contract.

[AussieTitanFan08]

Detailed breakdown of the scrimmage at Nissan Stadium, looks like Landry/Finch had a pretty dominant night.

 

 

[INTitan]

Surprised that more haven’t provided reports after last nights scrimmage, pretty decent crowd so assumed more on here attended.

I’ll give my two cents though hoping not to incite yet another Mariota pick your side battle.

 

Lightning in the area followed by a monsoon delayed the start for 90 min or so...was actually surprised at how well the field drained and held up.  

Format was kind of different in that teams were mixed up, so a lot of guys not used to playing together.  This may have contributed to the general sloppiness of the scrimmage.

They also can’t tackle so the run game is kind of a joke- two hand touch; also a lot of QB pressures could have been sacks 

 

Mariota’s squad started off the festivities - he had Humphries and Sharpe, Firkser and Dawkins, along with a bunch of guys that won’t make the roster.

First drive was pretty strong, though one of the completions would have been a sack or throw away in the regular game.  Touchdown to Sharpe.

Tannehill came out with Taylor Jennings Walker, Pruitt Lewis and Flu.  Kind of a sloppy first drive, several bootlegs for short completions, then a FG.

Second drive for MM didn’t result in much, I think they punted, but he was 7 of 8 at this point.  Again, very QB friendly, a lot of time to throw so this is what you would expect.

Tannehill has another lousy drive if I recall correctly, they fumble the punt for a safety and then Woodside took over for a few dives playing for each team.

 

Then things got interesting.  After a session of punts aimed inside the 10- Kern was ridiculous here-  they brought MM back to do some 3rd and long stuff.

Plainly put, he stunk up the joint.

Guys apparently weren’t getting open, but he reverted to the guy that couldn’t pull the trigger and letting the pocket collapse on him.  On 2nd down, he pumps, pumps, puts his head down and lets the DE ( Finch?) bull into him and they blow it dead while he fumbles.

Goes 0-4, with a Firkser drop; they give him a mercy down in which he completes a back foot 20 yarder to Sharpe.

Tanne then gets it going and looks sharp, hitting Delanie a couple times.  Delanie looked like the old Delanie, which was a welcome sight.

 

MM comes out for a red zone drill and basically same story.  A lot of pressure, a lot of hesitation and another Firkser drop.  0-4 to finish the night 8-16 and leaving a lot of folks shaking their heads.

Tanne makes a great play flushed from the pocket to find Jennings in the end zone to cap the red zone session.

I get the fact that these are makeshift lineups and not close to the real thing, but given the time the the QB’s have, they should be lighting it up.  Neither did and MM’s hesitation, dropping his head and back foot throws that have plagued his tenure here showed up once again.

 

Sorry, didn’t focus too much on the D but both sides were active and started getting more pressure as the night wore on.  Finch seemed to stand out, and Ryan and  Hooker made a couple plays.  

 

This offense is is going to be interesting.  At full strength and with a good running game, it should be a productive unit. If weapons get hurt or the OL doesn’t hold up, watch out...

[OILERMAN]

I wonder how long it would realistically take for Vrabel to try Tannehill if MM struggles, how long is the rope?

[EagleEye]

29 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

I wonder how long it would realistically take for Vrabel to try Tannehill if MM struggles, how long is the rope?

[BaddKarma]

35 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

I wonder how long it would realistically take for Vrabel to try Tannehill if MM struggles, how long is the rope?

If Mariota struggles, not saying its a sure thing, the words I'm waiting to hear are "We just inserted Tanney because we thought Marcus needed a minute to regroup." If that is said, its the beginning of the end. He is a 5th-year guy, he doesn't/shouldn't need time to get his shit together.

Edited August 5, 2019 by BaddKarma

[AussieTitanFan08]

32 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

I wonder how long it would realistically take for Vrabel to try Tannehill if MM struggles, how long is the rope?

Tannehill isn't going to be some savior of the franchise, if he is called on its either because Mariota has been injured again or the season is basically in the toilet.

[BaddKarma]

2 minutes ago, AussieTitanFan08 said:

Tannehill isn't going to be some savior of the franchise, if he is called on its either because Mariota has been injured again or the season is basically in the toilet.

Titans don't need a savior, they need a competent and accurate pro-style QB to manage a power running game dominated offense.

[big2033]

25 minutes ago, AussieTitanFan08 said:

Tannehill isn't going to be some savior of the franchise, if he is called on its either because Mariota has been injured again or the season is basically in the toilet.

But, and I'm not saying this will be the case, if it's determined that Tannehill is the better option in 2019, I doubt Vrabel just ignores that and tests out Mariota anyway.

 

This team isn't in rebuilding/evaluation mode. If somehow Mariota looks much worse than Tannehill they'll eventually pull the trigger to salvage their season.

 

Then look for a "franchise" QB.

Edited August 5, 2019 by big2033

[TerryBoats]

1 hour ago, OILERMAN said:

I wonder how long it would realistically take for Vrabel to try Tannehill if MM struggles, how long is the rope?

PSG#3

[AussieTitanFan08]

3 minutes ago, big2033 said:

This team isn't in rebuilding/evaluation mode. If somehow Mariota looks much worse than Tannehill they'll eventually pull the trigger to salvage their season.

I just think Tannehill isn't some kind of magical cure for this team, if the season plummets into a situation that it's time to bench Mariota inserting Tannehill isn't going to magically turn things around right away.

 

I'm not team Mariota or team Tannehill as odds are neither is the long term answer at QB, I just think some here are overvaluing the possible impact Tannehill could have should Mariota be benched.