GOAT9 Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Mythos27 said: It's hard to get positive yards when you're getting stoned in the backfield every time you touch the ball. Dion learned that the hard way. Also Mariota not being good enough to make teams respect the pass compounded the problems. Few RBs would've thrived here in the beginning. This ain't New England where anyone with a pulse can run for 5 yards a carry because the defense forgets he's even on the field because they're so scared of Brady. Yeah but he only did something in NE that 1 year. His time in Philly is forgettable and his other years in NE were injury ridden and mediocre. Henry has constantly flashed his potential. He had 4-5 game stretch in 17 and that really big one in playoffs vs KC. I said at the time after the season that we should have let Henry take over as the lead back and let Murray finish his contract as a change of pace/insurance policy. Lewis didn't do anything even after the line improved. If they hadn't fed Henry the way they did those last 5 games he would have ended up with fewer carries than Lewis. It was a mistake. The running game being good early in the season is going to be big for keeping Mariota healthy and the team being successful. It would allow for the passing game to gradually open as the season progresses and it is the best chance for Mariota to stay healthy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 hours ago, StephenIsLegend said: I don't think the coaches are stupid, but like everyone else in the world, they make mistakes and have mental gaffs. I don't think it's a black-and-white scenario. Mularkey played a washed up Murray and Vrabel played an ineffective Lewis in the base sets, they both didn't make "gaffs". There is a reason neither staff wanted Henry on run/pass downs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieTitanFan08 Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: Mularkey played a washed up Murray and Vrabel played an ineffective Lewis in the base sets, they both didn't make "gaffs". There is a reason neither staff wanted Henry on run/pass downs. Think we will see Henry used a bit more on screens this year, has been reports during the offseason they have been having Henry catch plenty of screen passes during OTA's/Minicamp. Not a bad idea to try and free up Henry in some space on the outside, he can be deadly if he gets going into top gear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, AussieTitanFan08 said: Think we will see Henry used a bit more on screens this year, has been reports during the offseason they have been having Henry catch plenty of screen passes during OTA's/Minicamp. Not a bad idea to try and free up Henry in some space on the outside, he can be deadly if he gets going into top gear. By the reports of the offense being built around him you have to figure he'll be used more in the passing game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1TitansFan Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 7 hours ago, oldschool said: Do yourself a favor and never use Fouts to try to prove a point. I used to have a big C-band satellite dish and would get the raw feed of MNF where you could hear the booth during commercials. It wasn't Madden who was winning all the Emmys who was making all those astute observations, he was getting them spoon fed to him by the sideline reporters, Fouts and Swann. Guarantee he's watched a lot more film than you and made a lot more money at it. They all dumb it down to a large extent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, OILERMAN said: Mularkey played a washed up Murray and Vrabel played an ineffective Lewis in the base sets, they both didn't make "gaffs". There is a reason neither staff wanted Henry on run/pass downs. They both wised up and fed the right guy in the end. All is forgiven. Sounds like Vrabel isn't going to make the same mistake twice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 On 7/20/2019 at 1:57 PM, Mythos27 said: I'm asking if you still believe that today. That he can only be good in the 4th? At that point in the season he seemed to only be effective in the 4th. They had him on the trading block! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 53 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: By the reports of the offense being built around him you have to figure he'll be used more in the passing game God help us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 33 minutes ago, No1TitansFan said: I used to have a big C-band satellite dish and would get the raw feed of MNF where you could hear the booth during commercials. It wasn't Madden who was winning all the Emmys who was making all those astute observations, he was getting them spoon fed to him by the sideline reporters, Fouts and Swann. Guarantee he's watched a lot more film than you and made a lot more money at it. They all dumb it down to a large extent. Lol okay. Half the shit he says is useless and not grounded in anything current. Hes a classic example of a former player who doesnt do any prep. Trent Greene is another one. If we've learned anything from former players turned analyst over the past 20 years it's that alot of them dont have a clue. Irvin anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 39 minutes ago, japan said: God help us He's one of the question marks going into the season for sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 31 minutes ago, japan said: At that point in the season he seemed to only be effective in the 4th. They had him on the trading block! How can that be possible when just one year before he ran for 308 yards on 60 carries for 5.1 ypc in the first half of all games vs 182 yards on 50 carries for 3.6 ypc in the second half of all games? If the talk was just "man, Henry is really struggling in the first half of games. What's going on?" that would've been fine. What people essentially said instead was "All Henry can do is be a closer against tired defenses". It was lazy reasoning. The idea that he could only run well against tired defenses was dumb from the start because he had already shown he could produce just fine in the first half of games just a year before. The Bills actually traded Marshawn Lynch. The Eagles actually traded Shady McCoy. I guess that means they suck too... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 3 hours ago, OILERMAN said: Mularkey played a washed up Murray and Vrabel played an ineffective Lewis in the base sets, they both didn't make "gaffs". There is a reason neither staff wanted Henry on run/pass downs. Those would be called mistakes. Every coach makes them, even the better ones. Mythos27, and No1TitansFan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 6 hours ago, StephenIsLegend said: Those would be called mistakes. Every coach makes them, even the better ones. When both staffs do something there is likely a reason Saying both of them made the same mistake seems presumptuous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 After watching a considerable amount of film of the 2018 season, I believe Henry's limitations in the passing game are greatly overstated. In 2016 & 2017, Henry's struggles in pass protection were well-documented. In 2018 he improved significantly and was very reliable in pass protection, although his opportunities were limited. I've reviewed quite a bit of all-22 footage from the 2018 regular season and found several plays where Henry diagnosed and picked up a blitz....but none where he gave up a sack or allowed a pressure. (He did allow one in preseason...although even that one was debatable, as it was actually Kline's man; Henry couldn't respond quickly enough after Kline whiffed on the guy.) As a receiver, Henry has shown the basic skills that would be required of any pass-catching RB: he has reliable hands (83% catch rate in 2018) and he runs the routes that are typically associated with the position...screens, flares, check-downs, etc. I won't pretend to know the finer points of the RB position or its role in the passing game...but has far as the basic fundamental requirements go, Henry's solid. The passing game obviously isn't Henry's strongest area, but there's certainly no reason to think he'd be a limiting factor. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 51 minutes ago, nine said: but there's certainly no reason to think he'd be a limiting factor. Two coaching staffs are the reason to think it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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