QB in 2020 draft - poll

[IsntLifeFunny]

2 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

Dude, we've been over this a million times. Mariota wouldn't have been able to pass a physical and back in March the option became guaranteed. 

 

There wasn't a scenario where the team saved 20.9 mill. 

That’s pure speculation. Nothing by any person or source has said anything along those lines. The closest you have is the fact he said he wasn’t 100 %. 

[Number9]

On 7/4/2019 at 7:12 PM, Mythos27 said:

We won't be picking high enough to get an actual QBOTF. Most likely we take a QB in the middle of the 1st and he turns out to be a bigger tease than Mariota.

So sad that with a team this talented we can have a serious discussion about taking a QB in the first round.  But, it is what it is.

[OILERMAN]

9 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

That’s pure speculation. Nothing by any person or source has said anything along those lines. The closest you have is the fact he said he wasn’t 100 %. 

So he went from a broken hand unable to even grip a football all season with 14 other injuries to now not being hurt? 

[BudsOilers]

Logically, the Titans were never going to cut Mariota for a variety of reasons:

 

1.  They already budgeted the $ 20.9 M for 2019.

2.  MM with his flaws is at least a known commodity they have invested time and money in.

3.  It's theoretically possible that he makes a jump up in production in the 5th year.

4.  The concept of swapping MM for Tannehill is essentially a wash on it's own given RT's history.  By adding RT to MM, they at least on paper have a starting caliber solution with two guys.

5.  If cut before it became fully guaranteed on 3/13, there's little doubt MM's agent would not file a grievance about it as everyone acknowledges that an injury that required prolonged rest/recovery ended his season before week 17.

6.  That doesn't even broach the message that would send to the locker room like cutting Randall Godfrey did in 2003.  Bad optics.

 

All of that said, no talks of an extension heading into the last year of a contract (he and Winston are the first QB's ever to play on a 5th year option), trading for a starting caliber backup to "push him", and the HC get questioned constantly about the starter situation does not constitute reaffirmation that the Titans have faith he's the long term franchise QB. 

[EagleEye]

1 hour ago, BudAdams said:

Logically, the Titans were never going to cut Mariota for a variety of reasons:

 

1.  They already budgeted the $ 20.9 M for 2019.

2.  MM with his flaws is at least a known commodity they have invested time and money in.

3.  It's theoretically possible that he makes a jump up in production in the 5th year.

4.  The concept of swapping MM for Tannehill is essentially a wash on it's own given RT's history.  By adding RT to MM, they at least on paper have a starting caliber solution with two guys.

5.  If cut before it became fully guaranteed on 3/13, there's little doubt MM's agent would not file a grievance about it as everyone acknowledges that an injury that required prolonged rest/recovery ended his season before week 17.

6.  That doesn't even broach the message that would send to the locker room like cutting Randall Godfrey did in 2003.  Bad optics.

 

All of that said, no talks of an extension heading into the last year of a contract (he and Winston are the first QB's ever to play on a 5th year option), trading for a starting caliber backup to "push him", and the HC get questioned constantly about the starter situation does not constitute reaffirmation that the Titans have faith he's the long term franchise QB. 

[bizzyeddie]

On 7/7/2019 at 11:26 AM, OILERMAN said:

Another question is would Mariota be willing to take a short term deal like Bortles took that is well below market value? If he flops again I'd just let him go but if they don't like the prospects or are too far down in the draft it could be another option. 

seems to me they would have tried to do that already.   tough to see a scenario where that will be a good idea after this year.  He's either gonna be good enough to earn some $$ or it's gonna be over.  Very small middle ground between those two options.

 

[Titans279]

Can we at least wait until Mariota is benched and or injured before we begin the QB in the 2020 draft talk?

[Face]

On 7/7/2019 at 12:25 AM, TWR said:

Mariota was about 7,000xs the prospect coming out. 

LOL. I know. The odds are about 98% this guy isn’t even close to Mariota.

[Mythos27]

6 hours ago, Face said:

LOL. I know. The odds are about 98% this guy isn’t even close to Mariota.

People have forgotten how truly difficult it is to find a legit franchise QB. They hyper-focus on Mahommes,Mayfield, etc and conveniently forget about the Tim Tebows, Manzeils, Brady Quinns, etc. That's not to say that you shouldn't try to draft one as it's really the only way to acquire one it just feels like people are mistaken in thinking it will be easy to replace Mariota. People who think "it can't get any worse" are often in for a rude awakening.

[OILERMAN]

3 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

People have forgotten how truly difficult it is to find a legit franchise QB. They hyper-focus on Mahommes,Mayfield, etc and conveniently forget about the Tim Tebows, Manzeils, Brady Quinns, etc. That's not to say that you shouldn't try to draft one as it's really the only way to acquire one it just feels like people are mistaken in thinking it will be easy to replace Mariota. People who think "it can't get any worse" are often in for a rude awakening.

I haven’t seen anyone say any of that. 

 

The issue is his contract is up after this season and his play has not warranted an extension.

 

Rookie contracts are very cheap and you have them for 4 years minimum 

[Number9]

3 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

People have forgotten how truly difficult it is to find a legit franchise QB. They hyper-focus on Mahommes,Mayfield, etc and conveniently forget about the Tim Tebows, Manzeils, Brady Quinns, etc. That's not to say that you shouldn't try to draft one as it's really the only way to acquire one it just feels like people are mistaken in thinking it will be easy to replace Mariota. People who think "it can't get any worse" are often in for a rude awakening.

I agree, but if you don't have the right guy-you have to try to find him.  Mariota's the starter on a team with a really good roster, no excuses.  If he gets struck by lightening, he's not the guy.  Gotta be on the field and he has to be a BIG reason for some wins.  

[ctm]

2 hours ago, Number9 said:

I agree, but if you don't have the right guy-you have to try to find him.  Mariota's the starter on a team with a really good roster, no excuses.  If he gets struck by lightening, he's not the guy.  Gotta be on the field and he has to be a BIG reason for some wins.  

Doesn't change the fact that you have to be convinced that the next guy is going to be better.

[Number9]

1 hour ago, ctm said:

Doesn't change the fact that you have to be convinced that the next guy is going to be better.

That's one way of looking at it.  First, last year is unacceptable.  Another year like that and bye, bye.  You look for a guy you are convinced will be better.  KC had a QB better than Mariota.  They felt he could only take the team so far and drafted another guy.  They shipped Smith out and took a chance.  They could have made a huge mistake, but they took the risk.  The 49ers took a chance and paid JG.  He got hurt immediately.  Dallas stuck with Dak, instead of giving Romo back his job.  

 

There are no guarantees.  

[ctm]

41 minutes ago, Number9 said:

That's one way of looking at it.  First, last year is unacceptable.  Another year like that and bye, bye.  You look for a guy you are convinced will be better.  KC had a QB better than Mariota.  They felt he could only take the team so far and drafted another guy.  They shipped Smith out and took a chance.  They could have made a huge mistake, but they took the risk.  The 49ers took a chance and paid JG.  He got hurt immediately.  Dallas stuck with Dak, instead of giving Romo back his job.  

 

There are no guarantees.  

When it comes time to make a decision, what KC and the 49ers did won't even be a factor.  The critical factor will be whether they think the next guy that they can acquire will be better than MM.

[Mythos27]

7 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

I haven’t seen anyone say any of that. 

 

The issue is his contract is up after this season and his play has not warranted an extension.

 

Rookie contracts are very cheap and you have them for 4 years minimum 

I understand the financial situation. My issue is people acting as though any old rookie can just come in, take over, and there won't be any drop-off. If a rookie is able to come in and we don't skip a beat that would be amazing because it means he's likely the guy. That is far from the most likely outcome though and I felt like it needed to be said because it feels like people are way too optimistic about the prospects of a rookie coming in and transforming the offense. Again, if he flops we have no choice but I'd like to go into that process with a clear mind.