PFF - sacks/hits/hurries - % QB's fault.

[BudsOilers]

@Nine  If you review those, there are 3 or 4 for sure where there wasn't a good option for him and it's on the play call and/or blocking failures.

 

I did see in 3 of the 4 Indy plays and in some of the Houston plays where he did have outlet options but he was either too slow to identify that or in most cases not even looking that direction. 

 

I think he's slow to make pre-snap reads/adjustments or audibles and slower than he needs to be in either taking the check down if the initial call is for a deeper route.

 

 

 

 

[IsntLifeFunny]

Nine just thrashed you. Shut up already. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

Go to 2:01. That’s Mariota’s season in a single play. Kline was probably the worst guard in the NFL last year for a long stretch. Conklin was a turnstile reminiscent of Poutasi. Mariota didn’t have a pocket to work with on most plays. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

They were rushing 3 or 4 and consistently hitting Mariota at the top of his drop. It’s a joke. The line was almost as bad as his rookie year. 

[OILERMAN]

I'm surprised they aren't extending him since it's not his fault 

[OzTitan]

5 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Go to 2:01. That’s Mariota’s season in a single play. Kline was probably the worst guard in the NFL last year for a long stretch. Conklin was a turnstile reminiscent of Poutasi. Mariota didn’t have a pocket to work with on most plays. 

Kline was dominated but the DL started bull rushing inside early and some QBs would have intuitively shifted right to keep the pressure out of the play. There was room there to do that at that 2:01 example. It's a tough gig but that's what thriving as an NFL QB is about. It's how the top guys thrive with interchangeable guys up front some times.

 

There's no QB that does that every time but some do stuff like this just enough times to tip the scales. MM just doesn't seem to have this intuition - maybe he gets it, but it will have to be very soon.

[nine]

There were certainly a few of those plays where Marcus could have avoided a sack by dumping it off of throwing it away...but  that would be the difference in average pocket presence as opposed to  excellent/elite pocket presence.    

 

An elite QB can mitigate and overcome subpar play at other positions and can elevate the offense almost singlehandly.   Marcus clearly isn’t at that level; when his teammates play poorly,   his performance and production is directly impacted.  

[titanruss]

On 6/7/2019 at 10:50 AM, BudAdams said:

I literally quoted that information from the sourced article dude.  

 

Even the author wasn’t comparing the two.  He just stated the numbers.

 

Everyone knows Luck is a much better QB.  If they traded places in hypothetical land, the Titans would likely be one if the favorites for the SB.

 

 

 

You never quoted any pff article. You quoted someone else who used their stats to his determinations. 

 

If you reference the very first fucking post in this threads... that’s a PFF post. That’s a PFF article that has mariota Ranked outside the top 28  for sacks taken that were his fault. 

 

Then... the article you quote explicitly states it’s only accurate year over year within a certain time frame. Your article is pointless .. for now. Happens again this year and it’s reference-able. 

[OILERMAN]

Watching @nine's youtube video makes things look worse for Mariota, not better 

 

The Colts clearly knew exactly how to get to him. I suspect DCs know and that's part of the reason for the increased sacks. 

 

The obvious solution is getting a dominate running game to keep him out of known situations as much as possible but that's much easier said than done. 

[Huston]

16 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

Watching @nine's youtube video makes things look worse for Mariota, not better 

 

The Colts clearly knew exactly how to get to him. I suspect DCs know and that's part of the reason for the increased sacks. 

 

The obvious solution is getting a dominate running game to keep him out of known situations as much as possible but that's much easier said than done. 

Just stop already but because the reverse was actually true last year.

 

Quarterback Breakdowns

Marcus Mariota is the NFL’s Best Passer In Obvious Passing Situations

Mariota was the most accurate behind the down-and-distance passer by raw accuracy, depth-adjusted accuracy and first down line accuracy.

The national narrative on Mariota is that he’s a running quarterback, an athlete more than a technically astute or particularly accurate passer. It’s an easy narrative to push when you don’t pay close attention to what’s actually happening on the field. Being fast in a straight line rarely factors into your ability to convert behind the down-and-distance consistently.

A quarterback with these charting results is a quarterback who is excelling mentally and technically while throwing the ball with anticipation and precision.

That’s not something you can say about Jared Goff, but Goff plays for Sean McVay with Todd Gurley and Andrew Whitworth and Rodger Saffold and Robert Woods and Brandin Cooks and Cooper Kupp and a whole cast of better players in his supporting cast who both help him in these situations and keep him out of these situations.

In total, Mariota had 133 qualifying pass attempts behind the down-and-distance last season. To showcase his quality, we’re going to focus on the Third-and-5+ plays, of which he had 62 attempts. But we’ll be even more precise than that, focusing on the 38 plays where Mariota threw the ball to or past the first down line. He was accurate on 28 of those plays.

 

https://presnapreads.com/marcus-mariota-is-the-nfls-best-passer-in-obvious-passing-situations/

Edited June 9, 2019 by Huston

[BudsOilers]

10 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Go to 2:01. That’s Mariota’s season in a single play. Kline was probably the worst guard in the NFL last year for a long stretch. Conklin was a turnstile reminiscent of Poutasi. Mariota didn’t have a pocket to work with on most plays. 

Yeah watch the play.  3 step drop.  At 2:05 you see him looking towards the primary, which he did the entire time BTW.  On the sideline angle, you can see at that point that Davis is running a shallow cross and has inside leverage on the CB.  No reason not to throw it.  Meanwhile, he had Lewis open out of the backfield on the other side if he had not hesitated and instead shifted to throw it to the right. 

 

11 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Nine just thrashed you. Shut up already. 

Hardly.  Watch those 10 plays. 

 

In two plays, Mariota had no chance and it's completely on the protection and play called.  Of course, I'd love to know his ability to pre-diagnose and audible in those situations but nevertheless I don't put any blame on him.

 

On sack 1 from the Houston game, they ran a stunt that was not picked up and 95 destroyed Kline and Jones.  Meanwhile no receiver was open because of the routes.  On sack 5, he's stripped from the right edge as he's trying to throw it deep left.

 

In the other plays (all 4 versus Indy and 4 of the 6 against the Texans), he had options if he was quicker to process the situation or actually decisive in his reads/throws.  And it's a problem for a 4th year QB.

 

Indy Game

 

Sack 1 - First off, he doesn't recognizes 23 is blitzing.  Two, at the end of Mariota's 3 or 4 step drop (his footwork on drop backs BTW is really choppy), he's set to throw and has Batson open in the right flat at the 33 but he didn't look at him initially.  He hesitates and then 23 closes on him.  Sack.

 

Sack 2 - At the end of his 3 step drop, Firkser is open on the middle right.  He was zeroed in on Sharpe running an corner route to the right but instead he looks to step up but then hesitates because 52 is there spying him.  If he would have looked for Firkser, he was open.

 

Sack 3 - Lewis is wide open in the right flat at the end of his drop back.  He never looks there and instead steps up but is quickly swallowed up as he was trying to run.

 

Houston Game

 

Sack 2 - Looks at primary read the whole way.  Ignores Lewis open in the middle 2 or 3 yards beyond the LOS and instead holds the ball and gets sacked.

 

Sack 3 - Davis is open to the right and looks to be the primary.  He doesn't throw it and instead steps up and left into pressure.

 

Sack 4 - Another 3 step drop but MM does some sort of stutter step to the right at the end (where the pressure is coming) and then goes into run mode.   A clean 3 step drop/throw to Smith who looked to be the primary was open.

 

Sack 6 - Arguably the worst one on Mariota.  5 step drop.  Has two guys open in sight (Lewis in middle and Smith to the left) yet he doesn't throw it and drifts left into the sack.

 

 

 

 

 

[BudsOilers]

1 hour ago, Huston said:

Just stop already but because the reverse was actually true last year.

 

Quarterback Breakdowns

Marcus Mariota is the NFL’s Best Passer In Obvious Passing Situations

Mariota was the most accurate behind the down-and-distance passer by raw accuracy, depth-adjusted accuracy and first down line accuracy.

The national narrative on Mariota is that he’s a running quarterback, an athlete more than a technically astute or particularly accurate passer. It’s an easy narrative to push when you don’t pay close attention to what’s actually happening on the field. Being fast in a straight line rarely factors into your ability to convert behind the down-and-distance consistently.

A quarterback with these charting results is a quarterback who is excelling mentally and technically while throwing the ball with anticipation and precision.

That’s not something you can say about Jared Goff, but Goff plays for Sean McVay with Todd Gurley and Andrew Whitworth and Rodger Saffold and Robert Woods and Brandin Cooks and Cooper Kupp and a whole cast of better players in his supporting cast who both help him in these situations and keep him out of these situations.

In total, Mariota had 133 qualifying pass attempts behind the down-and-distance last season. To showcase his quality, we’re going to focus on the Third-and-5+ plays, of which he had 62 attempts. But we’ll be even more precise than that, focusing on the 38 plays where Mariota threw the ball to or past the first down line. He was accurate on 28 of those plays.

 

https://presnapreads.com/marcus-mariota-is-the-nfls-best-passer-in-obvious-passing-situations/

Cian Fahey?????   

[Huston]

6 minutes ago, BudAdams said:

Cian Fahey?????   

So your saying his stats and vids are made up lol.

Edited June 9, 2019 by Huston

[BudsOilers]

1 hour ago, titanruss said:

You never quoted any pff article. You quoted someone else who used their stats to his determinations. 

 

If you reference the very first fucking post in this threads... that’s a PFF post. That’s a PFF article that has mariota Ranked outside the top 28  for sacks taken that were his fault. 

 

Then... the article you quote explicitly states it’s only accurate year over year within a certain time frame. Your article is pointless .. for now. Happens again this year and it’s reference-able. 

I clearly sourced what I shared and it was data from 2018 (clearly stated) that used PFF data.  The fact it doesn't say what you idiots want it to isn't my problem.  The whole point of it was that some QB's are very good at getting out of sacks when they face pocket pressure.  Others are not.  We all know why too. 

 

And as for your initial PFF stat, the logic in it is that any sack after 4 seconds is on the QB.  That's very simplistic (against QB's in some cases).  Even in the clips Nine shared, there was maybe one or two 5 step drop backs.  The Titans were intentionally trying to avoid the scenario as much as possible. 

 

[Huston]

Mariota finished fifth in 3rd down conversion percentage on pass plays in 2018, converting 45 of 97 3rd down passing opportunities. His 46.4% conversion percentage on 3rd down only trailed Patrick Mahomes (51.6% on 64/124 attempts), James Winston (50.6% on 42/83 attempts), Andrew Luck (49.3% on 80/162 attempts), and Matt Ryan (48.6% on 72/148 attempts). Mariota’s sample size is smaller than the rest of the QBs in the top five due to an injury.