Titans 2019 OTAs

[Huston]

Just now, japan said:

Gregg Williams maybe?

We are talking about Offensive coaches.

[japan]

Just now, Huston said:

We are talking about Offensive coaches.

He didn’t say that in the question. But I understand we were talking about offensive coaches. 

[BudsOilers]

Just now, japan said:

Collins definitely the best of that bunch even if it was just for that VY meltdown season. The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long. Gotta

give Collins his props. 

He had Mariota like numbers in 2008 - 12 TD (2.9%), 7 INT (1.7%), 80.2 Passer Rating.  That team was driven by a dominant defense and CJ/Lendale running it down team's throats.  Collins was the ultimate game manager. 

 

I'd say Mariota's 2016 season (under Mularkey/Robiskie) was the best QB season since McNair.  Saying that, the first 4 games and final 3 were mostly bad games but his 8 game run there (21 TD/3 INT with a 8.7% TD rate and 118 Passer rating) made it good overall. Hot and cold but honestly those 8 weeks of really good play look like an aberration given what he's done in the other 50 games.

[big2033]

17 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said:

Wasn't LaFleur the first Titans' coach to be promoted out of his TN position when he left?

All the rest were either fired and/or took lesser positions or made lateral moves.

 

15 minutes ago, japan said:

He didn’t say that in the question. But I understand we were talking about offensive coaches. 

Regardless. Our QBs have been worse. That's my point.

[Huston]

 

[big2033]

23 minutes ago, japan said:

Collins definitely the best of that bunch even if it was just for that VY meltdown season. The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long. Gotta

give Collins his props. 

I had no faith in Collins doing anything for us in the playoffs. The Titans had the look of a phantom 13-3 team that lived on ball control. Get down early, you're in trouble.

 

Collins was just savvy and mistake free despite being sub-par overall. And considering how good our defense and run game was that's all we needed, a marginally better Trent Dilfer. 

 

Stranger things have happened, but I didn't have faith in Collins leading us anywhere in the playoffs.

 

He had 12 TDs and 7ints in 16 games with less than 2700 yards passing ... the fact we want to give him props is part of our "QB perception" problem.

Edited May 24, 2019 by big2033

[titanruss]

mariota looked great playing for wiz @big2033

 

you're losing that argument. 

 

injuries aside that rookie year ( yes i know i know.. we allll know injuries are an issue) he was on pace to break every single rookie passing record. .. and he had the least talented roster i've ever seen. 

 

coaching and scheme matters. wiz was the only one that let him open it up and we had a pretty decent passing offense with shit surrounding him. open it up again and you'll likely see the same but better. 

 

 

[Mythos27]

Here's the rub though; we haven't just had bad QB's we've also had terrible surrounding talent. If we're going to say that all these QBs flamed out then the same must be also be said about the surrounding talent given that the only offensive weapon we've drafted that has had any success after leaving the Titans is Jared fucking Cook. It's not like we've been surrounding our QBs with so much talent that when they fail it's clear that they're overwhelming problem. That's why people recoil when it seems like some think it's reasonable to dump 80% of the blame on the QB's door step. The overall talent level of the Titans over the last 10 years has been appalling and the fact that barely any of these guys are even in the league is a testament to that. It's not like any of them went on to show that all they needed was a QB.

 

Dak Prescott looked a lot better after he got Amari last season after being largely saddled with bums. He isn't an elite QB and likely won't ever be but he's a good example that a mid-range QB can have success if you give him help. Obviously, it's optimal to find a top 5 caliber QB but those guys are rare and until you find one, you have to surround the guy you have with enough talent to at least have a chance to win some games. We haven't successfully done that in decades.

[big2033]

18 minutes ago, BudAdams said:

He had Mariota like numbers in 2008 - 12 TD (2.9%), 7 INT (1.7%), 80.2 Passer Rating.  That team was driven by a dominant defense and CJ/Lendale running it down team's throats.  Collins was the ultimate game manager. 

 

I'd say Mariota's 2016 season (under Mularkey/Robiskie) was the best QB season since McNair.  Saying that, the first 4 games and final 3 were mostly bad games but his 8 game run there (21 TD/3 INT with a 8.7% TD rate and 118 Passer rating) made it good overall. Hot and cold but honestly those 8 weeks of really good play look like an aberration given what he's done in the other 50 games.

That's why Mariota is the best QB we've had since McNair. I have no problem saying that.

 

But looking at our history it is not saying a lot lol. The fact some have a fondness for Kerry Collins shows how blind we've been when it comes to great QB play. We've barely seen it in Titan blue.

 

It makes sense that there have been murmurs that we're too soft on our starters at QB.

[titanruss]

collins was shit. 

 

KFC for a reason. 

 

Once CJ went down the only playmaker we had on the team was VY. collins was a better QB but that game was lost. VY was the only hope. 

 

of course fisher couldnt rationally make that switch but it was true. if collins goes down, we actually score points with VY at QB... but solid chance we have some unforced errors as well. 

[titanruss]

@big2033 not sure what you are laughing at... i stated pure facts there.  

 

his numbers extrapolated for the lost injury time breaks the rookie passing records. its not an opinion. 

 

[big2033]

1 minute ago, Mythos27 said:

Here's the rub though; we haven't just had bad QB's we've also had terrible surrounding talent. If we're going to say that all these QBs flamed out then the same must be also be said about the surrounding talent given that the only offensive weapon we've drafted that has had any success after leaving the Titans is Jared fucking Cook. It's not like we've been surrounding our QBs with so much talent that when they fail it's clear that they're overwhelming problem. That's why people recoil when it seems like some think it's reasonable to dump 80% of the blame on the QB's door step. The overall talent level of the Titans over the last 10 years has been appalling and the fact that barely any of these guys are even in the league is a testament to that. It's not like any of them went on to show that all they needed was a QB.

 

Dak Prescott looked a lot better after he got Amari last season after being largely saddled with bums. He isn't an elite QB and likely won't ever be but he's a good example that a mid-range QB can have success if you give him help. Obviously, it's optimal to find a top 5 caliber QB but those guys are rare and until you find one, you have to surround the guy you have with enough talent to at least have a chance to win some games. We haven't successfully done that in decades.

Dak Prescott is not elite. Agreed. And yet he hasn't had a season as bad as Mariota.

 

Case closed.

[big2033]

Just now, titanruss said:

@big2033 not sure what you are laughing at... i stated pure facts there.  

 

his numbers extrapolated for the lost injury time breaks the rookie passing records. its not an opinion. 

 

You're the worst person to be involved in these convos. Sorry.

[big2033]

3 minutes ago, titanruss said:

collins was shit. 

 

KFC for a reason. 

 

Once CJ went down the only playmaker we had on the team was VY. collins was a better QB but that game was lost. VY was the only hope. 

 

of course fisher couldnt rationally make that switch but it was true. if collins goes down, we actually score points with VY at QB... but solid chance we have some unforced errors as well. 

Oh dear god. Still holding on to VY ... it all makes sense.

 

Our forum man ... SMH. 

 

Our loyalty to our drafted QBs knows no bounds. 

[BudsOilers]

Just now, titanruss said:

collins was shit. 

 

KFC for a reason. 

 

Once CJ went down the only playmaker we had on the team was VY. collins was a better QB but that game was lost. VY was the only hope. 

 

of course fisher couldnt rationally make that switch but it was true. if collins goes down, we actually score points with VY at QB... but solid chance we have some unforced errors as well. 

VY?  Seriously?????  VY in 2017 had 9 TD and 17 INT, the team was 22nd in scoring (18.8 PPG) and that fucktard tried to pull himself out of a playoff game! 

 

He started the opener in 2008 and was pulled and went awol after the game.  VY had some flashes in his rookie year but he absolutely was a trainwreck and bad QB after that.