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OILERMAN   
2 hours ago, ctm said:

So, Trump's plan is to sell T-Bills to the Chinese to finance a budget deficit that pays farmers because they can't sell their grain to the Chinese.  Brilliant!

I guess it depends on his true motive

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On 5/10/2019 at 12:55 AM, Starkiller said:

If China really wanted to end this they would just say that they are blocking the sale of all goods to and from the US. People would freak out and Trump would be forced to cave within about a week. 

We are 25% of the global market. China is not giving that up. Their middle class would revolt if they did that.

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The ultimate irony is that China can’t walk away for long. China will blink and be contact the US again within a very short time to open negotiations again because the Chinese economy is not doing very well currently.

 

At less than half the size of the US market, the Chinese economy can’t survive for long without the US, while the US economy can survive just fine without China. The US market is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. 

 

China either learns how to play ball on a level playing field, or they will have to pay the 25% tariffs imposed to sell their goods in our market, while either scenario is good for Main Street  USA

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From Free Republic.

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cali says:

May 11, 2019 at 9:14 am

 

We all must keep in mind: The Chinese have always believed what they were promised by the Hussein/HRC/Kerry and state dept anti-American gang and their partners in the EU who made so many deals with China with the intent to reduce the USA to serfdom.

 

We all know that the ultimate goal sponsored, designed and put into action by the UK/British Crown was the one world order.


Well the world order has been here quite some time and president Trump knowing the goal is taking it apart in favor of America First. If America is healthy the world over is healthy too and everybody prospers.

 

China and XI having colluded with Hussein/HRC not only during the election but also in their activities across the US and assisted by the democrats and republicans alike.

 

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Here is where China’s XI miscalculated after hoping and betting on a HRC administration: President Trump is not Hussein, Hillary or Bush.

 

XI’s screw up goes back to the beginning of the Trump administration. Every country the president visited at the beginning of his administration guess who visited right afterwards?

 

None other than Hussein himself assisted by Kerry and Hillary. Now why would they follow president Trump ? Because they promised every country but mostly that of XI and Iran among a host of others that president Trump would NOT last more than a year in office.

 

XI now realizes that president Trump will go nowhere and most certainly re-elected. Xi and his leaders are now finding themselves in a conundrum they can’t escape. They bet on the wrong horse. They are ph%ket!

Game on!

 

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Rogue   
1 hour ago, TennesseeTuxedo said:

The ultimate irony is that China can’t walk away for long. China will blink and be contact the US again within a very short time to open negotiations again because the Chinese economy is not doing very well currently.

 

At less than half the size of the US market, the Chinese economy can’t survive for long without the US, while the US economy can survive just fine without China. The US market is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. 

 

China either learns how to play ball on a level playing field, or they will have to pay the 25% tariffs imposed to sell their goods in our market, while either scenario is good for Main Street  USA

Importers pay the tariffs, dumbass. 

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Rogue   
7 minutes ago, TennesseeTuxedo said:

Obviously you do not understand how capitalism works.

Obviously, you are stupid. 

 

Tariffs are paid by the importer.  This is common knowledge, for anyone knowledgeable of the subject.  

 

Importers may work an agreement with exporters to offset costs, but tariffs are paid by the importer.  Look it up instead of relying on bullshit sources...for once.  But you won't, will you?  

 

 

 

 

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chef   
2 hours ago, Rogue said:

Obviously, you are stupid. 

 

Tariffs are paid by the importer.  This is common knowledge, for anyone knowledgeable of the subject.  

 

Importers may work an agreement with exporters to offset costs, but tariffs are paid by the importer.  Look it up instead of relying on bullshit sources...for once.  But you won't, will you?  

 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Legaltitan said:

Ultimately the tariffs are paid by us, as the US importers will pass them along to the consumer. 

Falls under the category of people who still believe Mexico will pay to build a wall, because the person they want to believe told them so.  Not much different than what you local corner parish priest/minister/etc peddles.  Look outward, not inward.  Do not question.

 

The sad part is that I'd actually support Trump in this, or at least a different president with a brain and a conscious, in that he/admin has a legit beef with the Chinese.  Hard part is that we've painted ourselves into a corner that in that we're forced to spite our face by cutting off our nose.  If we really want to screw the Chinese, we just need to wish them well.  As in hope they can triple+ their household income, and along with it, perhaps world knowledge and eventually liberty via revolution.  But in the process we lose our pipeline of cheap stuff made by a borderline 3rd world slave labor capitalist-envy/greedy communist state. 

 

It's always been the tale of Mexico and immigration from there and south.  You want fewer people coming here?  Hope it gets better there.  Trust me: these folks would mostly prefer to stay home if they had solid opportunities for themselves and their kids.  And a safe place to raise them and thrive.  I'd do the same or hope I had the strength to if put in their shoes.  Work in kitchens in America for awhile and that pundit's TV tale takes on a much more personal note.  As you meet some extremely good people who are treated like animals by so many in national policy discussions.

 

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OILERMAN   
3 hours ago, Legaltitan said:

Ultimately the tariffs are paid by us, as the US importers will pass them along to the consumer. 

And the GOP gives welfare/supplements to the farmers!

 

Capitalism!

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Rolltide   
On 5/10/2019 at 3:19 PM, Rogue said:

So, to be clear, you disagree with Trump's tariffs?  

Yes. 

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Rolltide   

Let's be clear about the cost of tariffs. Tariffs are a tax on the exporter for those goods. You then expect the exporter to then pass on that cost or some of that cost in higher prices for those goods. To act like it is all paid by the importer is ignorant. 

 

If there is a product that sells for $5 a 25% tariff could potentially mean a $1 increase on the price tag. That will however make the product less attractive to us the consumers and we have a choice to not buy the product or buy a competing product made some placed else. Or a cheaper Chinese product.

 

What I'm reading from the leftists on this board is this idea that we are obligated somehow to buy these products and whatever extra cost is caused by the tariffs we have to pay like we are in jail or something. 

 

Milton Freedman wrote a book called "free to choose." Well exercise that right. If it is an issue of price or quality or you just think the Chinese are engaging in unfair trade practices you can choose to buy less Chinese goods. 

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Rolltide   

From a purely political perspective we should not be buying $600B in stuff from China. We are making them more powerful and more rich and they are our chief rival in the world. The Chinese businesses to their credit have better penetrated our markets and better understood what American consumers want. Good for them. 

 

Because China is our number one rival(Not calling them an enemy), because they do not act like a friend. They without question engage in unfair trade practices and are not fair to our businesses that want to sell products over there and because they steal our IP we as consumers need to make the conscious decision to start buying less of those products. 

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1 hour ago, Rolltide said:

Let's be clear about the cost of tariffs. Tariffs are a tax on the exporter for those goods. You then expect the exporter to then pass on that cost or some of that cost in higher prices for those goods. To act like it is all paid by the importer is ignorant. 

 

If there is a product that sells for $5 a 25% tariff could potentially mean a $1 increase on the price tag. That will however make the product less attractive to us the consumers and we have a choice to not buy the product or buy a competing product made some placed else. Or a cheaper Chinese product.

 

What I'm reading from the leftists on this board is this idea that we are obligated somehow to buy these products and whatever extra cost is caused by the tariffs we have to pay like we are in jail or something. 

 

Milton Freedman wrote a book called "free to choose." Well exercise that right. If it is an issue of price or quality or you just think the Chinese are engaging in unfair trade practices you can choose to buy less Chinese goods. 

Did you just quote Milton Friedman when discussing the fact the US Government has artificially inflated the price of Chinese goods? 

 

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Rogue   
3 hours ago, Rolltide said:

Let's be clear about the cost of tariffs. Tariffs are a tax on the exporter for those goods. You then expect the exporter to then pass on that cost or some of that cost in higher prices for those goods. To act like it is all paid by the importer is ignorant. 

 

Tariffs are paid by the importer.  They are free to work a deal with the exporter, if they so chose, but tariffs are paid by the importer.  

 

This is a fact, "libertarian".  

 

3 hours ago, Rolltide said:

What I'm reading from the leftists on this board is this idea that we are obligated somehow to buy these products and whatever extra cost is caused by the tariffs we have to pay like we are in jail or something. 

 

No, this is your imagination, as is most of your shit.  

 

Please point out anyone that has said we are obligated to buy stuff from China.  Go on, do it.  And when you can't, STFU. 

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