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Should Democrats impeach Trump?

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tgo   
On 7/13/2019 at 10:04 AM, OILERMAN said:

We had multiple Dems in this forum in this thread as well as the main stream media take Barr at his word and say the Dems need to move on. Hell even Rogue posted the other day something to the effect of knowing there was no collusion. 

There was both collusion and obstruction. It’s in the report. The problem is that “collusion” isn’t an actual crime, and conspiracy to commit treason against the United States requires you to prove intent which is next to impossible in court. 

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OILERMAN   
5 hours ago, tgo said:

There was both collusion and obstruction. It’s in the report. The problem is that “collusion” isn’t an actual crime, and conspiracy to commit treason against the United States requires you to prove intent which is next to impossible in court. 

I understand that, but they could still impeach him and include conspiracy against the US. Refusal to enact the sanctions, believing Putin over the US intelligence agencies and the fact his entire campaign staff was Russian assets. 

 

Also Barr should have been impeached too. 

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They can also impeach him on charges that had nothing to do with the Mueller investigation. Racism isn’t really a high crime or misdemeanor. Nor is palling around with dictators. Nor is lying thousands of times. But violating the emoluments clause certainly is impeachable. 

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OILERMAN   
48 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

They can also impeach him on charges that had nothing to do with the Mueller investigation. Racism isn’t really a high crime or misdemeanor. Nor is palling around with dictators. Nor is lying thousands of times. But violating the emoluments clause certainly is impeachable. 

The Stormy Daniels payoff

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scine09   

At this point do they even have time to do it before the election?

 

Actually now that I think about it it may be a good thing to do it as close to the election as possible just to get all of the impeachable offenses out in the news so that people remember when going to vote (even though 99% of people have made up their minds).  Who knows if that 1 person in a swing state who for the first time hears that Trump wasn't actually vindicated in the Mueller report, did do these things, and decides to vote with the other candidate.

 

But if it's done too far before people will forget.

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27 minutes ago, scine09 said:

At this point do they even have time to do it before the election?

 

Actually now that I think about it it may be a good thing to do it as close to the election as possible just to get all of the impeachable offenses out in the news so that people remember when going to vote (even though 99% of people have made up their minds).  Who knows if that 1 person in a swing state who for the first time hears that Trump wasn't actually vindicated in the Mueller report, did do these things, and decides to vote with the other candidate.

 

But if it's done too far before people will forget.

They don’t have time to go through full impeachment hearings and then a trial in the Senate. But that’s not the point since they know the Senate would never convict.

 

As you said, if the goal is to have a public investigation that airs a lot of his dirty laundry before Election Day then impeachment hearings could start whenever. 

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begooode   
2 hours ago, Starkiller said:

As you said, if the goal is to have a public investigation that airs a lot of his dirty laundry before Election Day then impeachment hearings could start whenever. 

aka,.... the Benghazi Gambit,... thx for your honesty, McCarthy and friends!

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begooode   

Bipartisanship? LOL

 

The House on Wednesday easily defeated an effort from a Texas Democrat to impeach President Donald Trump in the first vote that Congress has taken related to impeachment since Democrats took control of the chamber.

 

Rep. Al Green was able to force the vote under House rules, in what amounted to the most direct challenge yet to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's handling of impeachment.

 

The 332-95 vote showcased the stark divide among Democrats, who split over the vote to kill the impeachment measure. Ninety-five Democrats -- a little more than 40% of the Democratic caucus -- voted against tabling it, or to keep it alive. That's more Democrats who voted against tabling similar resolutions in 2017 (58) and 2018 (66). No Republicans voted to keep it alive.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/politics/trump-impeachment-house-vote/index.html

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15 hours ago, scine09 said:

At this point do they even have time to do it before the election?

 

Actually now that I think about it it may be a good thing to do it as close to the election as possible just to get all of the impeachable offenses out in the news so that people remember when going to vote (even though 99% of people have made up their minds).  Who knows if that 1 person in a swing state who for the first time hears that Trump wasn't actually vindicated in the Mueller report, did do these things, and decides to vote with the other candidate.

 

But if it's done too far before people will forget.

That's what I'm hoping their plan is. I also think if they can get a number of courts to rule against ignoring subpoenas, that will further demonstrate a pattern of subverting law and obstructing justice. 

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On 7/17/2019 at 3:30 AM, OILERMAN said:

I understand that, but they could still impeach him and include conspiracy against the US. Refusal to enact the sanctions, believing Putin over the US intelligence agencies and the fact his entire campaign staff was Russian assets. 

 

Also Barr should have been impeached too. 

So let me get this straight......President Trump survived a coup attempt perpetrated by Barack Obama, his cabinet, law enforcement and intelligence leaders, and the entirety of the fake news media. But Jerry Nadler and Adam Schiff are going to take down Trump this week?

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They had Tom Steyer on CNN and he felt they made a mistake delay in Mueller's testimony and he may be right; his point was they're fixing to go on a long recess and any momentum they might gain off of it could easily be lost. He comes off really well when he is asked about non impeachment issues; he's seen firsthand how corporate interests stand in the way of many issues the people are clearly behind and removing that influence has to be the top priority. 

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