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1 hour ago, reo said:

 

Republicans spent months grand standing to try and undermine the investigation.

We should take another lesson from Republicans. Look how they handled Obama. Everything that came up was "OMG this is the worst scandal in the history of the world and these guys are communist criminals and unamerican blah blah" but yet they never talked about impeachment. Because they knew it would be suicide.

 

Situation here is quite a bit different, but still, if we are taking lessons from the Republicans, how they handled Obama was pretty textbook. Shitty, but textbok.

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Keep in mind that impeaching Trump would leave you with Pence who is a true conservative. Trump is not. Impeachment this late in a term would be useless, and while it would satisfy some just to have him out, it really wouldn't benefit anyone.

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17 minutes ago, Legaltitan said:

No. Absolutely not.

 

I will say right now - I don't care what is "right." This is big boy politics. There is no bigger political move than impeachment proceedings.

 

The House would successfully impeach him, but the Senate would not convict. Not even a majority would convict. Very very high probability the Senate vote would be along party lines, as would the House vote most likely. Might be a couple of defections either way in the House, but McConnell and the Republicans would hold the line in the Senate.

 

And it would be a disaster. Trump currently lacks an enemy. Mueller's work is done, and Trump wants to say the report exonerates him. So Mueller can't be the enemy any more. Hillary as an enemy is lame stuff.

 

Even without Trump, I think the public would naturally have sympathy for a guy who is totally unsympathetic. And Trump would love the attention and ability to dominate the headlines and drive the news, all the while knowing the outcome - no conviction in the Senate - is pre-ordained.

 

It would, IMO totally backfire on the Democrats, all but guarantee a second term for Trump, and maybe also lead to a loss of control of the House.

 

Pelosi is too smart to do this, and she won't.

 

Don't like Trump? Want him out of office? We have an election coming up. Go defeat him at the polls, because that's the only way he is leaving office.

What's right is not what this is about.  I think most of us know what's "right."

 

If it was about what was right this would have happened in early 2017.

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22 minutes ago, Legaltitan said:

We should take another lesson from Republicans. Look how they handled Obama. Everything that came up was "OMG this is the worst scandal in the history of the world and these guys are communist criminals and unamerican blah blah" but yet they never talked about impeachment. Because they knew it would be suicide.

 

Situation here is quite a bit different, but still, if we are taking lessons from the Republicans, how they handled Obama was pretty textbook. Shitty, but textbok.

That's exactly what I expect them to do. 

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37 minutes ago, Legaltitan said:

We should take another lesson from Republicans. Look how they handled Obama. Everything that came up was "OMG this is the worst scandal in the history of the world and these guys are communist criminals and unamerican blah blah" but yet they never talked about impeachment. Because they knew it would be suicide.

 

Situation here is quite a bit different, but still, if we are taking lessons from the Republicans, how they handled Obama was pretty textbook. Shitty, but textbok.

They didn't talk about impeachment because they knew nothing was there to impeach with.  The talking points had far more power.  

 

Democrats should bring the Mueller team in for questioning, so their thoughts are public record, and start submitting legislation to help the lower and middle class.  Republicans and Trump will block any such laws from seeing the light of day and will be focused on the "origins of the investigation".  

 

The people that will decide the next election don't care about impeachment or investigations.  They want the government to work for them.  3 elections, with a exclamation point on 2016, and it seems people still haven't figured this out.  

 

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3 hours ago, Justafan said:

5 hours after Trump went on TV and said he wished the Russians would go find Hillary's email, they did just did that...

OH? 

Hillary's 30,000 missing emails have been found?

That's big news to everyone Justy.  The last anyone else heard they were Bleach-bitted into the nether regions of cyberspace.

 

So I don't think that's the case.  And if they were found, why haven't they been released?

If Putin and pals were so hellbent on defeating hillary and seeing Trump in the WH then where are they?

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The Mueller report is divided into two volumes.

 

  • Volume I covers the collusion question.
  • Volume II considers whether the president obstructed the investigation.
  • But of course there would have been no obstruction investigation had there not been the collusion allegation to begin with. 
  • There would be no Volume II if there were no Volume I.

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5 minutes ago, TennesseeTuxedo said:

You can't have obstruction without a crime

I disagree, and so does legal precedent.

 

But that doesn’t change the fact that he still committed crimes. And he knew it. That’s why he said “Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m fucked” when Mueller was appointed. 

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2 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

I disagree, and so does legal precedent.

 

But that doesn’t change the fact that he still committed crimes. And he knew it. That’s why he said “Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m fucked” when Mueller was appointed. 

Mueller did not see it and nor did AG Barr.

 

You are just angry that the President did not comply with the attempted coup d'etat on this country.

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