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1 minute ago, Starkiller said:

She needs to bide her time a bit. Everyone on the left wants to impeach Trump, but they need more of a case to present to the American people and that will still take time. 

 

They really need Mueller to testify in front of Congress first. Then, inevitably, I think the impeachment inquires can begin. 

 

 

True. They also need to exhaust the courts angle first.

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3 minutes ago, oldschool said:

True. They also need to exhaust the courts angle first.

Why? So Trump won't have to deal with the shame of getting impeached? 

 

Trump is terrified of getting impeached. First of all he knows the hearings will tear him to shreds and put a blemish on his already shitty embarrassing term. Drag his ass through the mud publicly 

 

2nd of all what's the downside? Start the impeachment hearings and get the stuff through the courts, the fact he's impeached will help in that regard. 

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Just now, OILERMAN said:

Why? So Trump won't have to deal with the shame of getting impeached? 

 

Trump is terrified of getting impeached. First of all he knows the hearings will tear him to shreds and put a blemish on his already shitty embarrassing term. Drag his ass through the mud publicly 

 

2nd of all what's the downside? Start the impeachment hearings and get the stuff through the courts, the fact he's impeached will help in that regard. 

Its all tied together. if Trump refuses to  provide documents, allow testimony, etc even after the judicial branch ways in then it strengthens the case for impeachment 2 fold. 

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Just now, OILERMAN said:

Why? So Trump won't have to deal with the shame of getting impeached? 

 

Trump is terrified of getting impeached. First of all he knows the hearings will tear him to shreds and put a blemish on his already shitty embarrassing term. Drag his ass through the mud publicly 

 

2nd of all what's the downside? Start the impeachment hearings and get the stuff through the courts, the fact he's impeached will help in that regard. 

I agree with all this. 

 

They just need need to wait for Mueller to testify. He needs to be on TV giving answers that will be unspinnable. 

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Just now, oldschool said:

 it strengthens the case for impeachment 2 fold. 

There will never be a stronger case for the rest of the entire history of the US right now

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The fact is the nation needs to know how corrupt he is.  The democrats already know it but many of his supporters clearly don't if they only watch Fox News or they don't pay attention at all.  By getting this stuff in the open it won't change all minds, but maybe a few.  And maybe people who haven't decided yet will see these hearings and what the Mueller Report actually said and decide they're not voting for a criminal.  And that could be the difference.

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6 minutes ago, scine09 said:

The fact is the nation needs to know how corrupt he is.  The democrats already know it but many of his supporters clearly don't if they only watch Fox News or they don't pay attention at all.  By getting this stuff in the open it won't change all minds, but maybe a few.  And maybe people who haven't decided yet will see these hearings and what the Mueller Report actually said and decide they're not voting for a criminal.  And that could be the difference.

The Barr cover up was actually a stroke of genius from the Trump cronies. People and the media lapped it up and it took the sting out of the report. 

 

And because Mueller is a soft spoken pussy afraid to make waves politically he's the perfect push over for Barr. 

 

He just resigned, he should have exposed Barr in that presser for the liar he is. Which he actually did do but way too quietly 

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned this guy and his system for predicting who wins the presidency. Nine elections in a row and counting.

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/29/lichtman_trump_will_win_in_2020_unless_democrats_grow_a_spine_and_do_their_constitutional_duty_to_impeach.html

 

Basically he says the incumbent needs to have 6 of 13 keys go against them in order to lose. As of this week he states the model only shows 3 negative keys for Trump. He believes impeachment is the only way to swing a few other keys against Trump. I've met him; incredibly impressive in person.

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Bill Clinton's popularity increased after a failed impeachment attempt. Pelosi is well aware of this.  Furthermore, there are currently only about 50 House democrats who are publicly advocating impeachment.  So, Pelosi is also aware of this and in step with her caucus.

 

Having said all that, the circumstances between Clinton's impeachment and the current circumstances are far, far different.

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Just now, oldschool said:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this guy and his system for predicting who wins the presidency. Nine elections in a row and counting.

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/29/lichtman_trump_will_win_in_2020_unless_democrats_grow_a_spine_and_do_their_constitutional_duty_to_impeach.html

 

Basically he says the incumbent needs to have 6 of 13 keys go against them in order to lose. As of this week he states the model only shows 3 negative keys for Trump. He believes impeachment is the only way to swing a few other keys against Trump. I've met him; incredibly impressive in person.

I read it a few days ago and thought about posting it

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1 minute ago, ctm said:

Bill Clinton's popularity increased after a failed impeachment attempt. Pelosi is well aware of this.  Furthermore, there are currently only about 50 House democrats who are publicly advocating impeachment.  So, Pelosi is also aware of this and in step with her caucus.

 

Having said all that, the circumstances between Clinton's impeachment and the current circumstances are far, far different.

There is a valid concern on the impact of impeachment on congressional democrats up for reelection in swing and/or red districts. 

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1 minute ago, ctm said:

Having said all that, the circumstances between Clinton's impeachment and the current circumstances are far, far different.

Exactly, the two things shouldn't even be compared

 

The real comparison is Watergate. Nixon was also very popular like Clinton. One the public hearings started the public and Republicans turned on him. Considering people already hate Trump and his crimes are way worse it's easy. 

 

If the Senate votes to acquit good, go after them for supporting a treasonous traitor crook. 

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