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I love Wikileaks! (praised 140 times over campaign)   Wiki who? I don't know anything about them

The deep state maybe one of the most useless deep states in real or fantasized history.    For this large ultimately powerful global organization that has directed the world as is today can'

Decided to put this here instead of the Mueller report thread     

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5 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

Manning served 7 years. That was sufficient. The 35 year sentence was excessive.

 

And Obama was right to use a commutation and not a pardon.

Let's see if @Rolltide can suppress his anger and "all liberals hate America" drivel long enough to understand your point. 

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Supposedly he has a bunch of stuff that's never been released.

Let's see if he can cut a deal by becoming a cooperating witness in Barr's investigation.

 

This could get real interesting real fast.

I can't imagine the timing of this not being significant.

So we'll see.  Ya gotta wonder who's sweating the biggest bullets over this,...

 

Grab the popcorn folks!

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4 hours ago, Rolltide said:

According to the libtards we are not supposed to mention Obama in a negative light because he is in some sort of protected class. We are supposed to forget the IRS scandal or fast and furious or spying on a presidential campaign. As usual civil liberties be damned. Obama is a gay black man leave him alone. 

Liberals criticize Obama all the time we just don’t use made up scandals like the IRS one or spying on the Trump campaign.

 

At least the Fast and Furiois one was real, so good for you...

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16 hours ago, Rolltide said:

How come nobody is mentioning how Obama commuted the sentence of Chelsea Manning? It was Manning who stole the classified documents that Assange posted. Assange never stole documents he simply published them. 

 

Obama cuts loose a genuine spy who betrayed our country and libtards are obsessed with Assange. 

 

Obsessed? LOL, I wish I had a nickel for everytime you, Tux, LTF, Little Earl etc. has blamed Obama for something. Compare 8 straight years of presidency with no scandals to affairs with porn stars, federal convictions of multiple cabinet members, refusal to make personal tax returns public, defending and supporting white supremacists and hate groups, alenating all of our major allies, raising the national debt to a record 22 Trillion dollars, failing to replace Obama care and creating a humanitarian crisis at the Mexican border by separating families from the children with no plan to reunite them. All in a little over two years. Good job Trump!

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22 hours ago, Jamalisms said:

I have very serious concerns and mixed 'freedom of the press' thoughts regarding a prosecution of Assange.

 

It's a super fine line between government transparency and information that could be damaging to national security. It's a very murky gray area. I understand the concern. It's a complex issue. Assange is another egomaniac that was as much concerned about keeping his name in the public eye and media as he was "doing the right thing". Just like Avenati. Another attention whore.

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15 hours ago, TitanDuckFan said:

Supposedly he has a bunch of stuff that's never been released.

Let's see if he can cut a deal by becoming a cooperating witness in Barr's investigation.

 

This could get real interesting real fast.

I can't imagine the timing of this not being significant.

So we'll see.  Ya gotta wonder who's sweating the biggest bullets over this,...

 

Grab the popcorn folks!

This sounds awfully Qanonish.

 

Who do you imagine might be "sweating bullets?" 

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16 hours ago, TitanDuckFan said:

Well the main thing to remember is when she decided to run for public office, s/he did so as a Democrat.

So obama made another member of his party through his benevolence.

 

That's the takeaway, right SK?

 

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Wait, are deep state whistelblowers like Manning and Assange heroes or villains? 

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40 minutes ago, freakingeek said:

 

Obsessed? LOL, I wish I had a nickel for everytime you, Tux, LTF, Little Earl etc. has blamed Obama for something. Compare 8 straight years of presidency with no scandals to affairs with porn stars, federal convictions of multiple cabinet members, refusal to make personal tax returns public, defending and supporting white supremacists and hate groups, alenating all of our major allies, raising the national debt to a record 22 Trillion dollars, failing to replace Obama care and creating a humanitarian crisis at the Mexican border by separating families from the children with no plan to reunite them. All in a little over two years. Good job Trump!

Well you would have collected no nickels from me. I think Obama was horrible, but I dont blame him. 

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1 hour ago, Legaltitan said:

Wait, are deep state whistelblowers like Manning and Assange heroes or villains? 

That's the big question isn't it?

When Bush was in, or recently out of office and the shadow over his admin persisted, they were considered heroes by some and villains by others.

Now those who consider them heroes or villains seem to have switched sides.

 

While Assange was exposing the data collected under Bush most on the left loved him.

While he was exposing the contents of hillary's emails, that love turned to hatred.

 

So, whose ox was most recently gored?

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29 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said:

That's the big question isn't it?

When Bush was in, or recently out of office and the shadow over his admin persisted, they were considered heroes by some and villains by others.

Now those who consider them heroes or villains seem to have switched sides.

 

While Assange was exposing the data collected under Bush most on the left loved him.

While he was exposing the contents of hillary's emails, that love turned to hatred.

 

So, whose ox was most recently gored?

Oh I wasn't asking for a riddle I was wondering what you thought.

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1 hour ago, Legaltitan said:

Oh I wasn't asking for a riddle I was wondering what you thought.

What I think is: 

Whether or not people "like" JA and what he does has too much to do with which side of the political spectrum they're on.

Starkiller is a prime example.  Not long ago JA (and Manning and Snowden) was (were) one of the left's heroes.  Maybe yours as well.

Lately, not so much.  Bush vs Clinton, Obama vs Trump etc,...

 

So, if you believe it's okay to hurt an office holder (despite the possibility it hurts the office) and that it can be done without hurting the country, he's always going to be a hero to some.

If you believe the country comes first, and hurting the office holder hurts the office, and by extension the country, then he'll always be regarded as a villain regardless of political leanings. 

And believe it or not some people are like that too, maybe to a fault.

To wit: 

I find the arguments like: "Go ahead, let them listen to my calls.  I haven't done anything wrong!"  "I don't call Pakistan" or "Don't break the law and you'll be alright" downright stupid.

The Patriot Act is a prime example.  People who supported Bush liked it just fine for the most part, until Obama was in the White House.

(And some people didn't mind the President governing by executive fiat when obama was signing EOs, but hate it when Trump does it)

 

When it becomes a question of exposing crimes against the constitution and the foundation of our civil liberties by agencies within the dotgov, or leaders of the gov't then that's different.  I believe the citizenry and the voters need to know when they're being hosed by their own government regardless of which political party holds the reins.  Or when they're being hosed by their political party, like the DNC did in 2016 and the Republicans in 2000 and '04.

 

But some still won't like it while others will agree with me, believing that the political establishment in the U.S. is two sides of the same coin.

 

So, it comes down to whether or not they like or dislike it, much like their opinion of Julian Assange,...   based on their politics. 

Because that's what he does.  He exposes hypocrisy in governance and/or political figures.

 

That's enlightening to me, because I find it fascinating when someone who is obviously a politically motivated statist and supports most government controls when they agree with the party in charge, but cheers leakers and whistleblowers and the exposers when they don't share the political philosophy behind that control.

That's a dichotomy I would delve into and really study if I were younger.

Because it clashes on a fundamental level with the idea of democratically elected governance.

And I find it hard to believe some people don't understand that fundamental principle.

 

This country wouldn't exist if the prevailing opinions of today were as prevalent during the founding.  It also wouldn't exist if what we know as "the media" now, had conducted themselves the way they do currently, back then.

We'd have a king, and he would be of one political persuasion.

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Good god, that is one hell of a word salad to express a pretty simple point: one man's turncoat is another man's whistleblower. Mindblowing. I also here that one man's "freedom fighter" is another man's "terrorist."

 

So yes this happens all the time, but Assange is complicated, and thoughts on Assange don't really break on traditional ideological grounds, because it's complicated. Is he just a journalist putting out information that he gets legally? Is he involved in illegal conspiracies to acquire the information? Does he put his thumb on the scales to expose people he personally doesn't like, while staying his hand on people he is beholden to? Did he actively work with Russia to undermine our election?

 

These questions make Assnge a much more complicated topic than simply "whistleblower good" or "whistleblower bad."

 

Also, Manning was a Whistleblower against Obama. Yet many (most?) of her stanchest supporters are on the left. 

 

I find the whole thing hard to read because I'm not really much of a conspiracy theorist, personally.

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