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Titans An Anomaly Past 20 Years In Regards To QB Position

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MIKE75   

I did this myself in regards to the subject,research,etc. Just thought it would be an interesting subject to look at and delve into as far as the whole NFL and the QB position.

 

Most teams will win over time if they have a QB start over a long period with no changes at the starting spot. However when teams have multiple QB's or QB's that don't play a full 16 game season they will lose most of the time. However there is one team that defied the odds and that team is the Tennessee Titans........

 

It is never normal when a team out of 20 seasons only has a QB start all 16 games just 2 years,2002 and 2011.

 

Most teams will win over time if they have a QB start over a long period with no changes at the starting spot though....

 

First example is over the last 20 years 1999 thru 2018 New England has mostly had 2 starting QB's Drew Bledsoe and for the past 18 years Tom Brady. The last 20 seasons the Patriots with Bledsoe/Brady have had a QB play 16 games a full season 17 times out of 20 seasons which is really good. The Patriots rank 1st in regular/postseason wins with 263 wins over the past 20 seasons.

 

The Indianapolis Colts over the last 20 years 1999 thru 2018 has had mostly had 2 starting QB's Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck and have had a QB play 16 games a full season 16 times out of 20 seasons. Indy rank 3rd in regular/postseason wins with 216 wins over the past 20 seasons.

 

The Green Bay Packers over the last 20 years 1999 thru 2018 has had mostly had 2 starting QB's Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers and have had a QB play 16 games a full season 16 times out of 20 seasons. Green Bay rank 4th in regular/postseason wins with 204 wins over the past 20 seasons.

 

The New Orleans Saints over the last 20 years 1999 thru 2018 has had mostly had 2 starting QB's Aaron Brooks and Drew Brees and have had a QB play 16 games a full season 15 times out of 20 seasons. New Orleans rank 9th in regular/postseason wins with 182 wins over the past 20 seasons.

 

The New York Giants over the last 20 years 1999 thru 2018 has had mostly had 2 starting QB's Kerry Collins and Eli Manning and have had a QB play 16 games a full season 16 times out of 20 seasons. New York Giants rank 10th in regular/postseason wins with 171 wins over the past 20 seasons.

 

Overall the top 10 teams in winning percentage and wins the last 20 seasons are New England 263 wins,Pittsburgh 218 wins,Indy 216 wins,Green Bay 204 wins,Philly 200 wins,Baltimore 199 wins,Seattle 193 wins,Denver 188 wins,New Orleans 182 wins and New York Giants/Dallas Cowboys with 171 wins and all have had stability at the QB position which means having a long time starter at QB.

 

Every team in the top 10 in wins not only made a Super Bowl,Every team in the top 10 in wins won a Super Bowl except Dallas.

 

Right outside the top 10 are L.A. Chargers,Minnesota and Tennessee all are tied for 11th in wins with 170 wins, So the Titans were 1 win from cracking the top 10 in wins over their first 20 years 1999-2018.

 

Carolina and Atlanta both have 168 wins and Kansas City has 165 wins these are all the teams that were above .500.  Among these teams Carolina,Atlanta and Tennessee have made Super Bowls. The L.A. Chargers,Carolina and Atlanta have all had stability at the QB position. Kansas City mainly had Trent Green,Matt Cassel and Alex Smith as starting QB's,Minnesota though mainly had Dante Culpepper,Brad Johnson,Brett Favre,Christian Ponder,Teddy Bridgewater most we able to play a full season.

 

So every top ten team in wins had stability at QB,Teams right outside the top 10 in wins had QB stability except Tennessee

 

Tennessee we will get into in a minute.....

 

 

We have already discssed the top half of the league now we get into the bottom half who had a losing win/loss percentage....

 

The only teams with a losing win/loss percentage that had a solid starting QB the last 20 seasons were Cincy and Detroit.

 

Since 2002 Cincy mostly had Carson Palmer/Andy Dalton and Detroit who has had Matt Stafford the last decade and over the last 20 years had mostly Charlie Batch,Jon Kitna,Joey Harrington and Matt Stafford.

 

 

So not too surprisingly the bulk or big percentage of losing teams had trouble keeping a starting QB for long periods.

 

 

We all know Cleveland had over 30 QB's start a game the last 20 seasons. Buffalo has had around half that. In a 3 year period Ken Whisenhunt had 9 starting QB's between '09 and '11. Oakland has had over a dozen. The NY Jets over a dozen. After Mark Brunnell was let go in '02 the Jags went through around a dozen with none working out. After Dan Marino retired the Dolphins have had trouble ever since the millennium started starting 18 seperate QB's.

 

The only team able to get a winning record the last 20 seasons with multiple QB's starting and only having a QB play a full season on 2 occassions in 20 years was the Tennessee Titans.

 

From 1999 through 2018 the Tennessee Titans have had 17 QB's play for them in regular season action. They have never had a QB play for them more than 4 to 5 years and have never had to pay a QB money past a rookie contract except for Steve McNair who played from 1999 through 2005 for the Tennessee Titans. Not only that the Titans have only had a QB play 16 games or a full season ONLY 2 times those were in 2002 Steve McNair and 2011 Matt Hasselbeck.

 

Steve McNair,Neil O'Donnell,Billy Volek,Matt Mauk,Doug Johnson,Kerry Collins,Vince Young,Rusty Smith,Matt Hasselbeck,Jake Locker,Charlie Whitehurst,Ryan Fitzpatrick,Zach Mettenberger,Alex Tanney,Marcus Mariota,Matt Cassel,Blaine Gabbert.

 

 

**Even though i support Marcus Mariota i think Tennessee's biggest issue is they keep drafting dual threat QB's who get hurt too much running. The 1 time of the 2 that we had a QB play 16 games it was a traditional pocket passer Matt Hasselbeck. I think in the future the Titans need to move on and stop drafting dual threat QB's more often than not they run well but have issues throwing the ball like Vince Young and Jake Locker. This has only really worked out with Steve McNair and Marcus Mariota and both had problems with injuries and missing time.

 

 

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BudAdams   

Teams with good to great QB's generally win and because that position is so important and hard to find, those with said good/great QB's seldom move on because of the alternatives.  Obviously, there are some examples of this historically - Montana to Young, Farvre to Rogers, Manning to Luck, and more recently Alex Smith to Mahomes.

 

As for this team, your analysis is stupid because you refuse to acknowledge that McNair began his career as an Oiler.  He was their primary QB for 9 years (1997 - 2005).  Prior to him, Moon was the primary QB for 10 seasons (1984 - 1993).  In both instances, when those guys began to play at a high level, the team contended for the playoffs annually.

 

In addition, using the 20 year BS is meaningless.  If you take out the prime McNair years (1999-2003) where they won games at a .685 clip (61-28) and made the playoffs 4 out of 5 years, the next 15 have a 109-135 record (.447).  Multiple coaching regimes, poor drafting, and erratic QB play. 

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8 minutes ago, GOAT9 said:

Essentially what Adams is saying is that if you take McNair out of the picture your argument looks like shit. 

 If we eliminate things we can form any narrative we want. 

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GOAT9   
3 minutes ago, heyitsmeallen said:

 If we eliminate things we can form any narrative we want. 

Not really. The team hasn't don't much since McNair left. Stuck in mediocrity or the bottom ever since. A few glimmers of hope that disappeared as quickly as they arrived. 

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1 minute ago, GOAT9 said:

Not really. The team hasn't don't much since McNair left. Stuck in mediocrity or the bottom ever since. A few glimmers of hope that disappeared as quickly as they arrived. 

So? That doesn’t change the Op’s point.       

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BudAdams   

The OP's point is that the Titans defied the odds to be good :34_rolling_eyes: despite a whole bunch of different QB's over some arbitrary window of time. 

It's flawed reasoning for one and meaningless for another.

  • The OP ignores that McNair was the starting QB for 2 season's prior to 1999 and was a starter for 9 years whereas he states no starter was for more than 4 or 5 years. 
  • The OP lists all of the QB's that took a snap for the Titans but ignores teams with good QB's that lost their main guy for extended periods - like Brady in 2008, Manning in 2011, Luck in 2017, Rodgers for periods, etc. 
  • The OP uses a period of time that captures the Titans initial SB window in it where they substantially outperformed the rest of the period. Since then they have been either bad or mediocre aside from 2008 when they had CJ and the best defense in football.
  • Nevermind he thinks Mariota has panned out.  That's a whole different level of idiocy.

 

 

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GOAT9   
10 minutes ago, heyitsmeallen said:

So? That doesn’t change the Op’s point.       

Yes it does, because the whole "there is one team that defied the odds and that team is the Tennessee Titans" is dependent on McNair being in the equation. Otherwise Tennessee isn't defying any odds.The 20 years thing is cherry picked. As Adams said "using the 20 year BS is meaningless"

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52 minutes ago, GOAT9 said:

Yes it does, because the whole "there is one team that defied the odds and that team is the Tennessee Titans" is dependent on McNair being in the equation. Otherwise Tennessee isn't defying any odds.The 20 years thing is cherry picked. As Adams said "using the 20 year BS is meaningless"

Of course it’s depending on the Best QB in Titans history being included. You take any Teams best QB away and things will look different.  Like I said to you originally, people can eliminate anything to make things fit their narrative. 20 years isn’t cherry picked, it’s how long the Titans have been a team. If he only chose the first 10 years to base the topic off of, that would be cherry picking. 

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BudAdams   
2 minutes ago, heyitsmeallen said:

Of course it’s depending on the Best QB in Titans history being included. You take any Teams best QB away and things will look different.  Like I said to you originally, people can eliminate anything to make things fit their narrative. 20 years isn’t cherry picked, it’s how long the Titans have been a team. If he only chose the first 10 years to base the topic off of, that would be cherry picking. 

The Titans are the Oilers.  It was the same fucking team and all but a handful of 1999 Titans were 1998 Oilers that played at Vanderbilt. 

 

Regardless, the team has had 5 really good to great years in the Titan era.  4 of them were in the first 5 years and 2008 is the other one.  61 of the 170 wins (36%) came in the first 5 years when they averaged 12 wins a season. 

 

When you realize that, jizzing over some 170 win total is as hollow as Mariota's 22/23 performance at Houston on MNF.

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GOAT9   
6 minutes ago, heyitsmeallen said:

Of course it’s depending on the Best QB in Titans history being included. You take any Teams best QB away and things will look different.  Like I said to you originally, people can eliminate anything to make things fit their narrative. 20 years isn’t cherry picked, it’s how long the Titans have been a team. If he only chose the first 10 years to base the topic off of, that would be cherry picking. 

Okay so you acknowledge that Tennessee isn't "defying the odds" as the OP states. Several other teams would be "defying the odds" if they had a Steve McNair for 5 of those 20 years. The Titans aren't doing anything remarkable with a long list of sub par QBs. We look better than those other teams because we had a stud QB for 25% of the timeframe whereas the other teams didn't. 

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Nice report! I seen Matt Mauck, he came in after Volek got smashed by someone from the Cardinals. That was my only shot to see McNair and he didnt even make the plane trip down to Az. I believe that was the season just before we drafted Young

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1 hour ago, heyitsmeallen said:

Of course it’s depending on the Best QB in Titans history being included.

That's the opposite of his point though, that the Titans have done really well and something that no other team can boast about... getting by without a franchise QB

 

Except we haven't, we haven't been a good team without a QB besides 1 year pretty much..... The rest of the time we have "defied the odds" we had our franchise QB.

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