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10 hours ago, Huston said:

Why do you think they are better, your point  was that McNair was the last Titans Qb that was worthy of building an offense around.

 

10 hours ago, Huston said:

What made Steve special was his ability to just make a first down and especially when they needed it, not a td just a first down. I have never looked up the stats or anything but that's what I remember and I see so much if that in Marcus. He is much more brittle then Steve but surprisingly a better passer early on. Steve had a stable old school coaching staff his whole career that held him back but allowed him to be successful by the team being above average defensively invested in the running game and special teams.

Steve was more aggressive downfield, better in the pocket, better outside the pocket, better at going through reads - later in his career - more willing to take risks.

 

Early in his career he'd mostly checkdown to Frank Wychek. He was NOT held back.

 

McNair also elevated a lot of receivers around him including Bennett and Mason.

 

Again, you guys need to stop believing every QB that doesn't succeed is because of some nefarious coaching staff.

 

You have to realize there's a homerism pattern here about who you're blaming and who you're praising.

 

A QB's career is NOT predicated on his staff. Period.

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24 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

Steve was more aggressive downfield, better in the pocket, better outside the pocket, better at going through reads - later in his career - more willing to take risks.

 

Early in his career he'd mostly checkdown to Frank Wychek. He was NOT held back.

 

McNair also elevated a lot of receivers around him including Bennett and Mason.

 

Again, you guys need to stop believing every QB that doesn't succeed is because of some nefarious coaching staff.

 

You have to realize there's a homerism pattern here about who you're blaming and who you're praising.

 

A QB's career is NOT predicated on his staff. Period.

It’s a lot more predicated on the staff than you’re giving the situation credit for. 

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37 minutes ago, StephenIsLegend said:

It’s a lot more predicated on the staff than you’re giving the situation credit for. 

The better the QB, the less the staff can truly have an impact on their overall career. QBs have more of an impact on theirs.

 

Andrew Luck would post numbers regardless of how horrible his coaches, Oline, RB, WRs, or GM were. Injury is what slowed him down, then he came back with a completely new staff and dominated out the gate. You can throw anyone at Luck and he'll succeed.

 

And you knew that, because you could see HE was carrying everyone around him.

 

An offensive coordinator can call any play he likes, but the QB can concentrate on the second read instead of the first one as much as he likes. 

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1 hour ago, big2033 said:

The better the QB, the less the staff can truly have an impact on their overall career. QBs have more of an impact on theirs.

 

Andrew Luck would post numbers regardless of how horrible his coaches, Oline, RB, WRs, or GM were. Injury is what slowed him down, then he came back with a completely new staff and dominated out the gate. You can throw anyone at Luck and he'll succeed.

 

And you knew that, because you could see HE was carrying everyone around him.

 

An offensive coordinator can call any play he likes, but the QB can concentrate on the second read instead of the first one as much as he likes. 

I’ll agree that there are outliers, but your premise that a staff doesn’t have much to do with the development is completely off base. 

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14 minutes ago, StephenIsLegend said:

I’ll agree that there are outliers, but your premise that a staff doesn’t have much to do with the development is completely off base. 

That's extreme. I never meant that.

 

Obviously they have an impact on their development overall. But I don't subscribe to that fact that a staff can "ruin" a QB or make one great.

 

In the end, all QBs have to make reads, make throws and score points. They've been doing it since high-school. This notion that they can't throw a proper pass with proper feet unless their coach shows them how is ridiculous. 

 

A coach or an offense can help their QB reach their FULL potential, but then the question becomes what IS their potential.

 

QBs drafted in the first round are supposed to be above average coming out. They should be doing above average things. And their growth should be mostly about experience not learning from scratch how to play the position at an average level.

 

 

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On 3/29/2019 at 1:56 PM, Mythos27 said:

It's absolutely absurd that people still believe this. 

Funny that people would believe in reality huh?

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On 3/30/2019 at 9:26 AM, big2033 said:

The better the QB, the less the staff can truly have an impact on their overall career. QBs have more of an impact on theirs.

 

Andrew Luck would post numbers regardless of how horrible his coaches, Oline, RB, WRs, or GM were. Injury is what slowed him down, then he came back with a completely new staff and dominated out the gate. You can throw anyone at Luck and he'll succeed.

 

And you knew that, because you could see HE was carrying everyone around him.

 

An offensive coordinator can call any play he likes, but the QB can concentrate on the second read instead of the first one as much as he likes. 

Not everyone is the best prospect since Peyton Manning. Seriously, anytime you mention Luck it makes you look like an idiot. 

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8 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Not everyone is the best prospect since Peyton Manning. Seriously, anytime you mention Luck it makes you look like an idiot. 

Just to add to that it’s nit even the same scenario. Luck had a staff that planned for his return for 2 years and were just his second staff to deal with. Mariota is heading to OC #5 and had coaches that rushed him back early to save their jobs. 

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7 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Not everyone is the best prospect since Peyton Manning. Seriously, anytime you mention Luck it makes you look like an idiot. 

Then what do we have if we don't have a franchise QB?

 

Because, THAT is what a franchise QB is.

 

THAT is someone that elevates talent.

 

THAT is what it takes.

 

If our QB can't be one of the best QBs in the league what can he be?

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41 minutes ago, big2033 said:

Then what do we have if we don't have a franchise QB?

 

Because, THAT is what a franchise QB is.

 

THAT is someone that elevates talent.

 

THAT is what it takes.

 

If our QB can't be one of the best QBs in the league what can he be?

ahhh. I KNEW it!

 

this thread was a roll attempt by OP to try and bash the QB yet another way. 

 

surprised he hasn't brought up how great Mularkey was yet!!

 

the obsession with these turds is crazy 

LOL.. 

 

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Yet he calls Luck a franchise QB who elevates those around him, but he has yet to raise up a Lombardi trophy.  I guess his raising only goes so far.  LOL!

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26 minutes ago, 8MM said:

Yet he calls Luck a franchise QB who elevates those around him, but he has yet to raise up a Lombardi trophy.  I guess his raising only goes so far.  LOL!

luck's also been in the league 3 years more.

 

... and no the sample size isnt the same 2 v 8 playoff games ... but mariota has been money in the playoffs whereas luck has been pretty much shit. same win% as well. 

 

.... and no im not comparing luck to mariota. i'm just laughing at the absurdity of "raising players up!!" (which is complete emotional bullshit) and luck having more success.. except when the success matters - its not that exciting. 

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You can go deep into the playoffs and even win superbowls without transcendent-level talent at QB. Mariota isn't elite and will almost certainly never be one but you can win it all with him if the team around him is good enough. Even elite QBs struggle to win it all without complimentary talent which is why despite being one of the best in the league (WAY better than Mariota), Russell Wilson is condemned to one and dones in the playoffs and will likely never sniff another superbowl until Seattle gets their act together and actually puts some talent around the guy.  A QB doesn't win superbowls teams do. Non-elite QBs need even more help which is why J-Rob is doing everything he can to make that happen. 

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On 3/29/2019 at 2:57 PM, wiscotitansfan said:

It's even more absurd to think that Henry had no attitude change, I don't give a fuck about Eddie sitting him down (and that is greatly overplayed)  but you're a retard if you think that nothing clicked in terms of Henry's tenacity

Henry first expressed dissatisfaction with his "trash play" in September and the breakout didn't come until December. Am I seriously supposed to believe that it took a full 2 months for results to show? Why didn't the mystical "it" click then? What, is there a 2 month delay on pissed-offness? C'mon bro. A change in attitude or whatever other rah rah thing you think happened would have amounted to absolutely nothing if the OL didn't improve. That's an irrefutable fact given that the timing Henry's success correlates perfectly with the turn-around on the O-line. If Henry had broken out despite the OL not playing much better then maybe some mystical, Mr.Miyagi bullshit might be more plausible but as things stand, this situation is very easily explained and understood by quantifiable, empirical data and facts if you're willing to accept them.  

 

There isn't a damn thing Eddie George told Henry that at that point he hadn't heard from multiple coaches and if there is then that's a problem.This whole Eddie cover is just a very transparent way for people who were putting 90% of the blame on Henry while ignoring or just paying lip service to the OL most of the season to save face. I've been rightfully criticizing the interior OL since 2017 and since then, two have been sent packing while a third is on the verge of being replaced by a mid-round rookie. What actually happened is clear as day. 

 

If a team is getting it's ass kicked and then makes a comeback after half-time, I'm going to conclude that coaches found a schematic way to be more effective. What I'm not going to think is "boy, the coach must've given a hell of a half-time speech"!

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17 hours ago, WG53 said:

Funny that people would believe in reality huh?

Yeah, I do find it hilarious that in 2019 people still think motivational speeches from ex-players are enough to turn a player's entire career around. Maybe every team with a struggling RB/running game should forget all that stupid stuff like fixing their bottom third run-blocking and get to the important stuff like having Eddie give the player a rousing speech full of shit he's already heard a thousand times from his coaches. Yeah, that sounds like a recipe for success.

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