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The Whitewater investigations didn’t lead to any charges relating to Whitewater. Clinton’s impeachment came entirely from charges relating to the Lewinsky affair. 

 

The various Benghazi hearings didn’t lead to any damning Benghazi-related evidence that Republicans could use against Hillary. It did, however, lead to an investigation of her email. 

 

Like it or not, Democrats aren’t going to just stop investigating. They already have plenty of leads to go after relating to hush money, bank fraud, tax returns, etc. They are going to try to do whatever they can to expose dirt on Trump heading into 2020.  

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I thought Mueller was this big, bad, deep state liberal.    Is he a Republican again now? Is the FBI good again now? 

There are literally too many scandals to keep track of right now

theres a reason trump tried to stop the investigation in every way possible. 

 

theres also a reason he's openly declaring vicotry and trying to take all those to court who had a hand in the investigation. 

 

its simple. he knows he and his family fucked up and knows its not over... so when things come up again - and they will - people will be scared to pursue. 

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5 hours ago, titanruss said:

theres a reason trump tried to stop the investigation in every way possible. 

 

theres also a reason he's openly declaring vicotry and trying to take all those to court who had a hand in the investigation. 

 

its simple. he knows he and his family fucked up and knows its not over... so when things come up again - and they will - people will be scared to pursue. 

The newest dem response. Classic.

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1 hour ago, oldschool said:

Pelosi is telling dems to move on. SK you should follow suit. This is a critical time for the dems. They could throw away 2020 over the next few months if they arent cateful.

I’ve moved on from impeachment, which I always said would never happen anyway. And I don’t think there is any need to investigate further into what Mueller has investigated as long as Congress receives the full Mueller report. 

 

But it’s Congress’ job to hold the Executive branch accountable. They need to do their job, too. 

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@oldschool or any takers: who wants to put money on a bet that no members of the Trump administration will be indicted?

 

There's plenty, Mueller was just looking at what happened 2 years ago.

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17 minutes ago, patsplat said:

@oldschool or any takers: who wants to put money on a bet that no members of the Trump administration will be indicted?

 

There's plenty, Mueller was just looking at what happened 2 tears ago.

As it relates to Mueller's investigation? We've already seen multiple convictions and pleas. There won't be any more related to the russia investigation since the investigation is over.

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1 hour ago, Starkiller said:

I’ve moved on from impeachment, which I always said would never happen anyway. And I don’t think there is any need to investigate further into what Mueller has investigated as long as Congress receives the full Mueller report. 

 

But it’s Congress’ job to hold the Executive branch accountable. They need to do their job, too. 

Not just Congress either. 

 

There are a plethora of other criminal investigations into Trump's corruption and lawlessness, including the SDNY investigation which was always the investigation that Trump's camp has been most afraid of and poses the greatest legal risk. One investigation already resulted in the entire Trump Foundation being literally dissolved due to massive lawlessness. 

 

Congress has an obligation to the rule of law to pursue not only the remaining investigations, but to subpoena the Mueller Report, William Barr, and potentially Rosenstein and Mueller as well. 

 

People keep referring to that letter from Barr as the "Mueller Report." No, that's actually the Barr Report. The Mueller Report is being held hostage by the administration, and Congress has given the DoJ an April 2nd deadline to turn over the report, lest they be forced to subpoena the full report (and rightfully so). 

 

As Eric Holder said recently, this is the begging to middle of the Mueller matter, not the end of it. 

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2 minutes ago, oldschool said:

As it relates to Mueller's investigation? We've already seen multiple convictions and pleas. There won't be any more related to the russia investigation since the investigation is over.

The issue at hand, at this point, is obstruction of justice, not conspiracy, as that matter seems to be resolved. 

 

Trump has admitted on camera that he's guilty of obstructing justice (fired Comey to end the Russia "thing"). So I'm not sure how he wasn't charged for it other than Barr's belief that the president literally couldn't obstruct justice, which is flat out fucking stupid. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Starkiller said:

But it’s Congress’ job to hold the Executive branch accountable.

But only if the Executive branch is a member of the other party.

 

It's a game and everybody knows it...which is why it only plays into the hands of the Republicans when the Democrats play it. It confirms the narrative that they're  just on a witch hunt...which of course they are. Most voters don't give a crap about it. Everyone knows Trump's a slimy dirtbag. Nothing the Democrats will produce will add to that fact and continuing to pursue it will likely do more harm than good.

 

This is what politics has devolved to. Don't bother trying to convince people your ideas are better...it's much easier to try to leverage social media to demonize the other side.

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12 minutes ago, tgo said:

The issue at hand, at this point, is obstruction of justice, not conspiracy, as that matter seems to be resolved. 

 

Trump has admitted on camera that he's guilty of obstructing justice (fired Comey to end the Russia "thing"). So I'm not sure how he wasn't charged for it other than Barr's belief that the president literally couldn't obstruct justice, which is flat out fucking stupid. 

 

 

Its goes deeper than the Trump being President. Barr also believes you can't have obstruction without an underlying crime. Those two stances are exactly why Trump nominated Barr. 

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11 minutes ago, oldschool said:

Its goes deeper than the Trump being President. Barr also believes you can't have obstruction without an underlying crime. Those two stances are exactly why Trump nominated Barr. 

Yep.

 

Because the obstruction aspect is what they were really worried about. And Mueller didn't make a determination on obstruction and punted the issue, which Barr intercepted and ruled on exactly how you'd expect him to. 

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1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I will say I see no reason Congress should not be able to review the entirety of the investigation. 

This. It is also going to leak eventually, and the spin will be ramped up to a trillion by any and all media outlets. No one is going to accept a summary from Barr with his comments on obstruction and they shouldn't. 

 

But as many have said over and over again expectations should be tempered. Mueller's report has already got the hackers and the Russian election interference, Manafort, and Cohen. The latter two show the Trump administration was not clean. Take this for what it is and move on. 

 

Trump does not have to be guilty of collusion in a "webster's dictionary", letter of the law kind of way for us to realize he acted improperly on Russia. 

 

We already know that he lied to the American people about dealings with Russia. 

 

We already know that he went before the entire world and defended Putin over our intelligence agencies when we had definitive proof that Russia was interfering in our election--a shocking moment in US presidential history that no one seems to care about. 

 

Trump does things on a daily basis that should alarm a citizen who actually cares about democracy or the future of our nation. When you have someone like Sarah Sanders tweeting propaganda disguised as a march madness bracket attacking the media from an official account you know his supporters are going to be unphased by the way he violates the norms of respectable government. 

 

And here's the thing--the guy was on tape saying "grab them by the pussy" and his base didn't give a shit. As mentioned before, he was sympathetic to the Russians over our own intelligence agencies ("I believe him") and his base didn't care. He paid off a porn star and his base didn't give a shit. 

 

The only way Trump will lose is if we mobilize people to vote and beat the electoral college and if we wake middle America up to the way Trump is empowering the wealthy over their needs. They don't give a shit about social issues or international politics or morality. They'll believe what they are going to believe or what talk radio/fox says. Take one glance at the disconnected from reality rants of the conservatives on the board. 

 

Trump needs to be dragged for including Medicare in his budget cuts. He needs to be dragged for the tax cuts that aren't helping non-wealthy Americans. 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, TF_Titan said:

But only if the Executive branch is a member of the other party.

 

It's a game and everybody knows it...which is why it only plays into the hands of the Republicans when the Democrats play it. It confirms the narrative that they're  just on a witch hunt...which of course they are. Most voters don't give a crap about it. Everyone knows Trump's a slimy dirtbag. Nothing the Democrats will produce will add to that fact and continuing to pursue it will likely do more harm than good.

 

This is what politics has devolved to. Don't bother trying to convince people your ideas are better...it's much easier to try to leverage social media to demonize the other side.

Of course this is how politics works nowadays. It’s how it has worked since Newt. Politics is a team sport.

 

Dems want to investigate Trump. Republicans refuse to investigate Trump. Both sides are politically motivated.

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