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Senate votes to block Trump’s “National Emergency”

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59 minutes ago, Rogue said:

I didn't say it was Unconstitutional.  It's not even mentioned in the Constitution.  However, it is specific in saying Congress appropriates funds, and it doesn't say the executive can go all grade school and appropriate funds because he lost the legislative fight.  

 

Now does it?  

 

"You mean get rid of the few republicans that still believes the Constitution and rule of law?"

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1 hour ago, Rogue said:

I didn't say it was Unconstitutional.  It's not even mentioned in the Constitution.  However, it is specific in saying Congress appropriates funds, and it doesn't say the executive can go all grade school and appropriate funds because he lost the legislative fight.  

 

Now does it?  

What does the law say regarding the allocation of funding during an Emergency?

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55 minutes ago, 9 Nines said:

Look at Senator Tillis.  He recently wrote an op-ed piece, in the Washington Post,  highlighting how bad Trump's declaration was and how unconstitutional and an act of executive power grab it was.   Something that likely angered Trump supporters in his state.   Then a week later says he is undecided, then today votes against the resolution, in favor of Trump, likely angering people against the declaration.   So in the span of two weeks, he just angered all his constituents.  Plus his opponent can label him a flip-flopper too.   And again, he might have to go through that Keystone Cops act a few more times before the 2020 election. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/03/14/thom-tillis-trump-emergency-wall-border-rebuke-vote-nr-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

 

“Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC) took every possible position on President Trump’s declaration of a national emergency to build a wall along the Mexican border,” the Washington Postreports.

 

“At first, Tillis stood defiantly against Trump’s usurpation of congressional prerogative, declaring in a Washington Post op-ed almost two weeks ago that approving the emergency would ‘justify providing the executive with more ways to bypass Congress.'”

 

“Then, over the last week, as political pressure mounted, Tillis moved into the undecided column in hope of a compromise with Trump… By Thursday afternoon, as 12 GOP colleagues broke ranks with the president, Tillis instead fell in line.”

Tillis did the right thing. He will work to amend current Emergency Powers legislation.

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1 hour ago, Starkiller said:

No president has ever used it to steal money from the budget

Yeah. I don't mind the law at face value but legally that'll be the way they approach it. The definition of a natural disaster will have to be clarified. 

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1 hour ago, ben4titans said:

What does the law say regarding the allocation of funding during an Emergency?

Why don't you tell me what it says when a democrat declares a national emergency regarding global warning?  Will you be so nonchalant about it then?  The answer that everyone knows is, no.  

 

You know flat out what it is.  Your hero lost the fight legislatively and is bypassing the institution that appropriates funding.  Stop being obtuse.  

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28 minutes ago, Rogue said:

Why don't you tell me what it says when a democrat declares a national emergency regarding global warning?  Will you be so nonchalant about it then?  The answer that everyone knows is, no.  

 

You know flat out what it is.  Your hero lost the fight legislatively and is bypassing the institution that appropriates funding.  Stop being obtuse.  

That’s also a part of the irony. The Republicans now want to rewrite the law after Trump just trampled all over its intended meaning while still supporting him. Classic. 

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1 hour ago, Rogue said:

Why don't you tell me what it says when a democrat declares a national emergency regarding global warning?  Will you be so nonchalant about it then?  The answer that everyone knows is, no.  

 

You know flat out what it is.  Your hero lost the fight legislatively and is bypassing the institution that appropriates funding.  Stop being obtuse.  

 

Sounds like we need to tighten the Emergency Powers legislation, which I favor.

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1 hour ago, Rogue said:

Why don't you tell me what it says when a democrat declares a national emergency regarding global warning?  Will you be so nonchalant about it then?  The answer that everyone knows is, no.  

 

You know flat out what it is.  Your hero lost the fight legislatively and is bypassing the institution that appropriates funding.  Stop being obtuse.  

 

By the way, have at it on Global Warming. Good luck selling the American people you spent military monies on green initiatives, that will go over like a fart in church. On the other hand, the American people largely support what the President is doing to secure the border.

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My problem with all this is what happened to Mexico paying for the wall? That was the promise with this deal. When you have migrants by the thousands trying to storm the border it is a huge problem. The wall is necessary, however, Trump needs to stand by his words and make Mexico pay for it if he expects support on this deal.

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14 minutes ago, ben4titans said:

 

By the way, have at it on Global Warming. Good luck selling the American people you spent military monies on green initiatives, that will go over like a fart in church. On the other hand, the American people largely support what the President is doing to secure the border.

Fake news.  The American people do not largely support building a wall, particularly by declaring a national emergency.  

 

It's clear you don't have to sell it.

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22 minutes ago, ben4titans said:

 

Sounds like we need to tighten the Emergency Powers legislation, which I favor.

You favor it after Trump leaves office, you mean.

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11 minutes ago, Former_Fan said:

My problem with all this is what happened to Mexico paying for the wall? That was the promise with this deal. When you have migrants by the thousands trying to storm the border it is a huge problem. The wall is necessary, however, Trump needs to stand by his words and make Mexico pay for it if he expects support on this deal.

You believed that?  Really? 

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