Justafan Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, 9 Nines said: Something of note I read recently, the law can be challenged every 6 months. So unless President Trump ends this national emergency, the House can start the process over every 6 months, forcing the Senate to make this same vote every 6 months, which would put Senate republicans, many mote running for reelection in 2020 than Democrats, under much pressure. Many will have to decide if that want to upset general election voters (vote against the resolution, supporting Trump), or anger Republican primary voters, risking a challenge (vote for the resolution.) Also, if any weigh one group mote a risk than the other, if they change their vote on later resolutions, acts of them vote flip-flopping might be worse. Reports are that Senate Republicans are trying to come-up with some way to get Trump money for the wall, outside his emergency, so he can end it to keep the 6 months vote processes from happening. They were huddling together on a plan this week but it fell apart yesterday. There's also the imminent domain issues and the contractor's complaints. These funds have already been allocated to contractors and accounted for. Most of the new construction would occur on now held private property. Even if Trump managed to win the eventual court case, they will hold pass injunctions and it will all get held up long enough that he runs out of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, 9 Nines said: While debating, person X declares there is no debate. Later that day, a man watching television declares he doesn't watch television. Ben's an idiot. There is no debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) Look at Senator Tillis. He recently wrote an op-ed piece, in the Washington Post, highlighting how bad Trump's declaration was and how unconstitutional and an act of executive power grab it was. Something that likely angered Trump supporters in his state. Then a week later says he is undecided, then today votes against the resolution, in favor of Trump, likely angering people against the declaration. So in the span of two weeks, he just angered all his constituents. Plus his opponent can label him a flip-flopper too. And again, he might have to go through that Keystone Cops act a few more times before the 2020 election. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/03/14/thom-tillis-trump-emergency-wall-border-rebuke-vote-nr-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/ “Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC) took every possible position on President Trump’s declaration of a national emergency to build a wall along the Mexican border,” the Washington Postreports. “At first, Tillis stood defiantly against Trump’s usurpation of congressional prerogative, declaring in a Washington Post op-ed almost two weeks ago that approving the emergency would ‘justify providing the executive with more ways to bypass Congress.'” “Then, over the last week, as political pressure mounted, Tillis moved into the undecided column in hope of a compromise with Trump… By Thursday afternoon, as 12 GOP colleagues broke ranks with the president, Tillis instead fell in line.” Edited March 14, 2019 by 9 Nines begooode 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Stop engaging Comrade Ben. Just stop. pamo9, and pat 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Starkiller said: No president has ever used it to steal money from the budget Yeah. I don't mind the law at face value but legally that'll be the way they approach it. The definition of a natural disaster will have to be clarified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, ben4titans said: What does the law say regarding the allocation of funding during an Emergency? Why don't you tell me what it says when a democrat declares a national emergency regarding global warning? Will you be so nonchalant about it then? The answer that everyone knows is, no. You know flat out what it is. Your hero lost the fight legislatively and is bypassing the institution that appropriates funding. Stop being obtuse. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 28 minutes ago, Rogue said: Why don't you tell me what it says when a democrat declares a national emergency regarding global warning? Will you be so nonchalant about it then? The answer that everyone knows is, no. You know flat out what it is. Your hero lost the fight legislatively and is bypassing the institution that appropriates funding. Stop being obtuse. That’s also a part of the irony. The Republicans now want to rewrite the law after Trump just trampled all over its intended meaning while still supporting him. Classic. Justafan, and Legaltitan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former_Fan Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 My problem with all this is what happened to Mexico paying for the wall? That was the promise with this deal. When you have migrants by the thousands trying to storm the border it is a huge problem. The wall is necessary, however, Trump needs to stand by his words and make Mexico pay for it if he expects support on this deal. OILERMAN, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, ben4titans said: By the way, have at it on Global Warming. Good luck selling the American people you spent military monies on green initiatives, that will go over like a fart in church. On the other hand, the American people largely support what the President is doing to secure the border. Fake news. The American people do not largely support building a wall, particularly by declaring a national emergency. It's clear you don't have to sell it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, ben4titans said: Sounds like we need to tighten the Emergency Powers legislation, which I favor. You favor it after Trump leaves office, you mean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Former_Fan said: My problem with all this is what happened to Mexico paying for the wall? That was the promise with this deal. When you have migrants by the thousands trying to storm the border it is a huge problem. The wall is necessary, however, Trump needs to stand by his words and make Mexico pay for it if he expects support on this deal. You believed that? Really? OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former_Fan Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rogue said: You believed that? Really? It's not a matter of believing it, but just the fact it is a hard sell to ask for funding on this. I think a lot of people support the wall, but not being financially responsible for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, ben4titans said: I favored restricting the Executive before Obama was in the office to abuse it. I'm sure, but not right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, ben4titans said: This is a winning issue for Trump. Largely supported by middle America. Fake news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Soxcat said: So we make a list of Republicans that have to go. This is where Republicans devour their own. Dems would never do this. They are in lock step like the gestapo is keeping an eye no them. No, making a list of who must go based on free thinking sounds like the Gestapo. Seriously do you read what you post in its entirety? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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