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2 minutes ago, Rolltide said:

Science is not decided by a show of hands.

That’s why it’s so valuable to have overwhelming scientific evidence backing up the global warming argument. It’s been there for decades and only continues to grow as studies continue. 

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Soxcat   

 How exactly does it "grow" when all the models have been grossly inaccurate?  If anything we are resolving what a hoax this has been from the start. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

 How exactly does it "grow" when all the models have been grossly inaccurate?  If anything we are resolving what a hoax this has been from the start. 

 

1. Start with a real news source, much less one that is remotely scientific.

 

2. The scientific models have actually been shown to be reasonably accurate. Some were overly conservative, some were too high. But for sure they all accurately predicted that global temperatures would continue to increase. And they have. 

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5 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

1. Start with a real news source, much less one that is remotely scientific.    Well, you can rule out all the news sources you watch.

 

2. The scientific models have actually been shown to be reasonably accurate. Some were overly conservative, some were too high. But for sure they all accurately predicted that global temperatures would continue to increase. And they have.   The have increased an insignificant amount, so congratulations!   Means absolutely nothing.

 

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Soxcat   

So your graph shows significant warming between 1915 - 1945 where CO2 was not even a factor?  Shows an actual drop from 1955-1975 when CO2 was rising and here is the best part.  That is a ONE DEGREE rise in temp over 100 years.  OH my, the sky is falling.  Oh, wait, this is a special time for our globe.  We have never had this kind of cyclical temperature change and temps are ridiculously high now......

http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm

 

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17 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

So your graph shows significant warming between 1915 - 1945 where CO2 was not even a factor?

CO2 wasn’t a factor? I’m sorry, you think CO2 didn’t exist back then? Or that it wasn’t going up back then?

 

 

17 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

Shows an actual drop from 1955-1975 when CO2 was rising and here is the best part. 

You seem unable to read the chart. The temperature readings were fairly stable during that time period. 

 

As for why, you’d have to find more data. Perhaps it was related to the end of WW2 and more particulate matter in the air from all the destruction. Perhaps it was the rupture of Mount Agung. There are plenty of reasons for a short term halt.

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

That is a ONE DEGREE rise in temp over 100 years.

No, it has been an increase of one and a half degrees Fahrenheit on average temperature over 50 years. So it’s literally 3 times worse than that.

 

 

 

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Soxcat   

Wow the CO2 level went up 20 parts per million from the turn of the century to about 1970.  Wow.  That is exactly part of the retards problem is they really think that 20 ppm was the cause and the models use that and are ridiculously inaccurate.  The period between 1950 and 1980 was flat, or stable for temp as you said but between those points the CO2 level rose 30 ppm.  Interesting.  CO2 is a factor some of the time but not all of the time.  Just when it is convenient as in the convenient lie.

In fact temperatures were elevated during the decade of the 1940s when CO2 had leveled off.  Weird. 

 

Oh yea, there are plenty of reasons for the temps going up and down.  Like the sun for example.  Volcanoes.  Whatever.  Perhaps CO2 isn't the big actor everyone thinks it is.  It is really weird how earth temps were about where they are now (higher) around the year 1000 and CO2 was only 280.  But hey, it is logical to argue every time temps went up in the past it was the sun or something else but now it can only be because of man made CO2.  Wow, now that is real good science.  Science for idiots with an agenda. 

 

In fact every time you get into these arguments you come off as a total scientific dunce with a liberal answer for everything.  Then on top of that you flat out lie or can't read your won graph.  Your graph that tells us there was a ONE DEGREE F rise since 1940 until now?  Wow.  Maybe you should hook up with "two jobs" AOC and have an intellectual discussion about science and economics.  Make a video so we can all have a good laugh. 

 

 

 

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Justafan   
2 hours ago, Little Earl said:

Couldn't help but notice a lack of references at the bottom of that article.  

 

Then I couldn't help but notice all the recent articles that are all right-wing attacks on left positions or politicians.  It's almost like that website has an agenda and the article isn't peer-reviewed and therefore as a scientific article is utterly worthless.  Call me crazy.  

 

Notice the difference between that and a link to say NASA

 

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

Scroll to the bottom to see where the information they are claiming.  

 

Anybody can write an article.  Not everyone can get published by peer-reviewed non-partisan scientific and scholarly journals.  Go read Scientific American and see what their tone on climate change is.  You'll also notice that there are no links to political articles anywhere around.  Just saying.

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12 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

Wow the CO2 level went up 20 parts per million from the turn of the century to about 1970.  Wow.  That is exactly part of the retards problem is they really think that 20 ppm was the cause and the models use that and are ridiculously inaccurate.  The period between 1950 and 1980 was flat, or stable for temp as you said but between those points the CO2 level rose 30 ppm.  Interesting.  CO2 is a factor some of the time but not all of the time.  Just when it is convenient as in the convenient lie.

In fact temperatures were elevated during the decade of the 1940s when CO2 had leveled off.  Weird. 

CO2 is about the long term trend, not some outlier of a few years. And it has been increasing for well over a century.

 

 

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Oh yea, there are plenty of reasons for the temps going up and down.  Like the sun for example.  Volcanoes.  Whatever.  Perhaps CO2 isn't the big actor everyone thinks it is.  It is really weird how earth temps were about where they are now (higher) around the year 1000 and CO2 was only 280.  But hey, it is logical to argue every time temps went up in the past it was the sun or something else but now it can only be because of man made CO2.  Wow, now that is real good science.  Science for idiots with an agenda. 

CO2 is the main long term driver. The science is well defined. Volcanoes cause short took cooling... also well defined. Solar activity affects things as well, but it’s cyclical so it isn’t a driver over decades of warming.

 

The problem is you guys with an anti-science agenda always looking for an excuse to deny what is observably going on.

 

 

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In fact every time you get into these arguments you come off as a total scientific dunce with a liberal answer for everything.  Then on top of that you flat out lie or can't ready your won graph.  You now, the graph that tells us there was a ONE DEGREE F rise since 1940 until now?  Wow.  Maybe you should hook up with "two jobs" AOC and have an intellectual discussion about science and economics.  Make a video so we can all have a good laugh. 

You should learn to read charts. It’s not what you think it is. Perhaps this will be easier for you to understand...

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Over a century we have seen a 2 degree average increase. Over 50 years it has been 1.5 degrees.

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Justafan   
5 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

CO2 is about the long term trend, not some outlier of a few years. And it has been increasing for well over a century.

 

 

CO2 is the main long term driver. The science is well defined. Volcanoes cause short took cooling... also well defined. Solar activity affects things as well, but it’s cyclical so it isn’t a driver over decades of warming.

 

The problem is you guys with an anti-science agenda always looking for an excuse to deny what is observably going on.

 

 

You should learn to read charts. It’s not what you think it is. Perhaps this will be easier for you to understand...

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Over a century we have seen a 2 degree average increase. Over 50 years it has been 1.5 degrees.

Of course, Sox linked to an article from a guy who calls himself a climatologist but actually studied insurance law and has been heavily criticized because he believes the bible is the key to predicting the weather.

 

He has no scientific background whatsoever.  He's just some dude who came up with this on his own and a buddy of his who is an out of work tv weatherman. 

http://lefthandpalm.blogspot.com/2013/04/dodgy-cliff-and-randy-mann.html

 

In other words, this is just more fake news.  The article is full of lies and misconceptions.  They claim they got their data from a secret organization called the weather science foundation... it's just sad.  I mean how dumb do you have to be to fall for this crap again and again.

 

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Justafan   

Climate change is not a theory and there aren't anywhere near 25% of scientists (As in people who have Ph.D.'s and actual science backgrounds from real universities) who disagree.  It's more like .002% who question the predictive ability or that it is caused by man.  No one who has seen the data and understands it actually questions climate change is real.  

 

You guys are arguing that the earth is flat and providing links to flatearth.com or some dumb shit to prove your arguments.  That's what you are.  Just so you know.  

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Soxcat   

Climate change is real.  Nobody denies that.  The effects of CO2 have been questioned.  Models by "scientists" have been massively inaccurate at predicting warming.  If that is what you want to put you money into you are as dumb as Starkiller. 

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30 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

Climate change is real.  Nobody denies that.  The effects of CO2 have been questioned.  Models by "scientists" have been massively inaccurate at predicting warming.  If that is what you want to put you money into you are as dumb as Starkiller. 

Well, that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas is one of things you'd have to believe that AGW isn't a real thing.  

 

1)  The greenhouse effect isn't real.  

2)  CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas.  

3)  Humans have not contributed to elevated CO2 levels in the atmosphere.  

4)  The earth is syncing the additional levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.  

5)  Average earth temperature is not really rising.  

 

You have to believe one or more of these things to believe it's all a hoax.  Even if they are lying, it has to be one of these things. 

 

I suppose one could say they don't believe any of that, just that it's overblown, but that would still make you agree that AGW is a real thing.  

 

Care to take a stab at which of the above you agree with?  

 

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