Legaltitan Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 There have been very few times I have listened to a politician and instantly felt that they fired on all cylinders for what I want in a President. Buttigieg did that for me during that town hall. I have already been intrigued by him, and knew he was a smart guy. But man, question after question, he just spit substance and practical solutions. One after another. He never lost his cool or got bombastic or grandstanded or seemed uncomfortable. I learned that he used to be a consultant for company managers, and now it makes sense. He is comfortable in his own skin and is comfortable talking to anyone. Of those that have announced, he is in my top tier. He may be my personal favorite so far. Ok, so before I get over my skis, tell me the bad stuff I need to know. pat, and freakingeek 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Mostly age - he’s 37? I’ll try to listen to the town hall later. Apparently it was pretty good. I don’t know a lot about him. But we’re going from candidates in their 70’s to candidates in their mid thirties. Just a number... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 I didn’t watch the townhall because I don’t have time, but the generic negatives seem pretty obvious. He’s gay. No, it’s not fair. And it’s not a huge negative among Democrats for the primary. But in a general election there will be a significant number of people who would not vote for him because he is gay. It simply makes him less electable. Inexperience. Age is one thing, inexperience is another. He has no political experience beyond being the mayor of South Bend. Not even the mayor of a big city. And no foreign policy experience. That maybe could be overlooked if he were a governor or even mayor of a city like NY/LA/Chi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted March 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Yeah it is impossible to win the presidency without prior political experience. Bring gay is definitely a net negative. But I think there are plenty of people who would rather vote for a gay man than a very progressive candidate. I also think it is possible there is more resistance to a female than a gay male. Merica and all. Edited March 12, 2019 by Legaltitan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Honestly I don’t think he seriously thinks he can win the nomination. I think he wants to build name recognition to a run for a senate seat or governor. NFLStudent 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Probably would be tough for him. Of course, being over 75 also hurts the current front runners Biden and Bernie and Bernie has the whole branded as a socialist thing (sure he tries to say democratic socialist, but IDK if people will see a distinction). https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-wsj-poll-2020-race-will-be-uphill-trump-n978331 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Nator Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Fuck. He's awesome but he's gay. No way he will win. (I actually thought the same thing about Obama being half black in 08 and was wrong on that though) Legaltitan, and Pragidealist 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Legaltitan Posted March 12, 2019 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) I'm sorry - if: (1) a black dude with a middle name that is identical to America Enemy #1, and a last name that sounds almost exactly like America Enemy #1A; and (2) a reality TV star who is otherwise best known for a string of bankrupty casinos and hotels and shady dealings, can each be elected President, I don't think any of us can with any certainty say that Candidate X has no shot to win. Edited March 12, 2019 by Legaltitan 'Nator, Pragidealist, Justafan, and 4 others 4 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Titans279 said: Probably would be tough for him. Of course, being over 75 also hurts the current front runners Biden and Bernie and Bernie has the whole branded as a socialist thing (sure he tries to say democratic socialist, but IDK if people will see a distinction). https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-wsj-poll-2020-race-will-be-uphill-trump-n978331 Would like to see that list with atheist added as a choice. ChesterCopperpot1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Never heard of the guy but after Legal's ringing endorsement I'll give him a listen. Legaltitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfb Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Never heard of the guy but after Legal's ringing endorsement I'll give him a listen. Compare him to Yang and see who you like better. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, titansfb said: Compare him to Yang and see who you like better. I will. I like Yang more every day though. No bullshit, he's 3rd for me behind Bernie and Warren. Edited March 12, 2019 by Mythos27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted March 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Soxcat said: Wow, hard to believe a black guy is right up at the top with a white guy. We really do live in a racists nation don't we...... By the way the best way to lose votes if you are a Democrat is to be gay. You would lose black votes and Latino votes. The conservatives aren't voting for the guy anyway because of his policies. Gay or not. Who said it's a racist nation? You may be right about blacks and latinos. Not sure about that. Edited March 12, 2019 by Legaltitan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Legaltitan said: I'm sorry - if: (1) a black dude with a middle name that is identical to America Enemy #1, and a last name that sounds almost exactly like America Enemy #1A; and (2) a reality TV star who is otherwise best known for a string of bankrupty casinos and hotels and shady dealings, can each be elected President, I don't think any of us can with any certainty say that Candidate X has no shot to win. The bar is so low right now though. It's kinda like... is he breathing? Sure- Not saying this guy is a horrible candidate, just ... how do you judge what is possible or even likely anymore? Legaltitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Nator Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Legaltitan said: I'm sorry - if: (1) a black dude with a middle name that is identical to America Enemy #1, and a last name that sounds almost exactly like America Enemy #1A; and (2) a reality TV star who is otherwise best known for a string of bankrupty casinos and hotels and shady dealings, can each be elected President, I don't think any of us can with any certainty say that Candidate X has no shot to win. True (and I said as much in my parenthetical) but Obama won by getting literally every black voter. Seriously, they all came out and voted for him. Which is why Hillary lost. Half of those folks stayed home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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