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If Socialism Is The Answer....Why???????

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2 hours ago, begooode said:

90% of the people who throw around the word "socialist" forget they wouldn't have the time to be on the internet in their 'give me Capitalism or give me death' mindset, because they'd be working 12 hour days, 6 days a week for 70% of what they make today.

90% of the people who throw around the word "socialist" forget that there wouldn’t even be an Internet if not for the government doing shit on their own

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9 hours ago, Soxcat said:

The point is there is no economy unless there is motivation to produce.  It is all about production and competition drives better products and higher efficiencies.  Every company I have worked for in the manufacturing sector constantly looked for ways to improve quality, productivity and reduce expenses.  It is constant.  It is what keep companies viable.  But that motivation, while ultimately about making more profits, is what makes the pie bigger for all of us. 

 

Socialists simply don't get it.  Socialists think over taxing and over regulating are doing everybody a favor or something.  Even idiots like AOC are proud now that 25,000 people won't be working for Amazon at $150,000 (and paying taxes) in NY.  That is dumb gone to seed.  We should not forget to put certain safeguards in place socially or environmentally but at the same time we should be doing all we can to promote business. 

 

Also note that the perspective of socialists are that business is somehow evil.  Every place I have worked in manufacturing has gone above the basic regulatory requirements environmentally and promoted safety well above basic legal requirements.  Why?  Because they recognize it not only is the right thing to do but it is more profitable to do so.  This dark ages view of how employees are treated, or the environment is perceived by business is historical.  Companies that do not have to reduce carbon emissions are doing so.  My company has solar cells putting out 25% of our electrical usage.  We plan to double that.  We see it all the time.  Part of that is due to companies wanting to be seen and viewed as socially responsible. 

 

So no, capitalism would not only build the car but would also add safety features like brakes and seatbelts and by the way, look at what cars are able to do now to avoid accidents?  Technology has gone far beyond some governmental mandate.  We aren't just talking about air bags.  Everything from rear view and side view cameras, collision avoidance systems and so forth.  If socialist had their way we would all be driving some version of the Yugo, that is if we could afford a car. 

 

You seem to be under the assumption that the only way to have a thriving economy is through capitalism. There are many countries with a larger middle class percentage/ lower poverty rate that do not stifle small business and that are not capitalist. You can have a great economy without our form of capitalism. The evidence is out there and easy to see if you actually look for under 5 minutes. 

 

Most western nations you would deem “socialist” actually pay less in taxes after you account for state income taxes, property taxes, sales tax, etc. ...and they get more benefits! It’s about how you spend the money. Our government likes to give it to their friends with big business / spend it on war shit that almost no one supports - both of which are mostly conservative sponsored programs. 

 

Socialists don’t think business is evil. They think unregulated big business is evil - because it has proven to be through history. It’s the reason unions were necessary. And yes.. businesses make choices based on profitability. That’s the problem with capitalism. When solutions are necessary now... capitalism provides them in 5 years - after they can no longer spread misinformation in order to max out current production. 

 

You forget how car car companies lobbied against seatbelt laws and air bags and all sorts of vehicle safety regulation. 

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8 hours ago, LongTimeFan said:

"Timothy 6:10 

 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."

 

So many of you dumbasses quote this incorrectly.  It is "FOR THE LOVE OF MONEY". That has a much different meaning.  If you are going to try to mock someone, at least know what you are referring to. 

Hey idiot... what do you think capitalism is???

 

money first.. a society based on and run by money ... putting money first as a goal is equivalent to love. 

 

No one thinks that dollar bill on the ground wants to murder and rape kids. Don’t be a dumbass. 

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21 minutes ago, titanruss said:

Hey idiot... what do you think capitalism is???

 

money first.. a society based on and run by money ... putting money first as a goal is equivalent to love. 

 

No one thinks that dollar bill on the ground wants to murder and rape kids. Don’t be a dumbass. 

Holy shit, you don't even know what capitalism is. What are you, 17? Pick up a book.

 

Definition of capitalism

: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

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2 minutes ago, TennesseeTuxedo said:

My SS is MY money that I earned.

Not really. You apparently don’t understand how SS works. I’m paying for your SS, just as you paid for my predecessors. It isn’t a bank account. It’s a socialist concept to protect the elderly. 

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13 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Not really. You apparently don’t understand how SS works. I’m paying for your SS, just as you paid for my predecessors. It isn’t a bank account. It’s a socialist concept to protect the elderly. 

These guys don’t understand how anything works. You knew that already, of course...

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1 hour ago, LongTimeFan said:

Holy shit, you don't even know what capitalism is. What are you, 17? Pick up a book.

 

Definition of capitalism

: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

lol... i didnt attempt to define capitalism moron. 

 

but thanks for nothing!!

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36 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Not really. You apparently don’t understand how SS works. I’m paying for your SS, just as you paid for my predecessors. It isn’t a bank account. It’s a socialist concept to protect the elderly. 

 

It wasn't originally a Socialist concept, until they turned it into a Ponzi Scheme.

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8 minutes ago, ben4titans said:

 

It wasn't originally a Socialist concept, until they turned it into a Ponzi Scheme.

This is misinformed and incorrect. You're just buying into propaganda that wants to end SS as an "idea." Show me the year in recent history (20-30 years)  where the trust fun dispersed more money than it took in. Can't find the data? Here it is in all its glory:

 

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/transactions.html

 

The boomer problem is real if Republicans insist on mismanaging an investment account over politics, but all that is needed for SS to thrive in the future is an income cap to be lifted (currently at $128,700) and it will thrive well beyond 2034. 

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On ‎2‎/‎18‎/‎2019 at 10:14 PM, titanruss said:

absolute capitalism is absolutely evil... you'd think as a christian @TennesseeTuxedo that you'd know money is the root of all evil. a society whose sole purpose is to create the most money will be inherently evil. take a step back and look. when you have a ton of money your responsibility to society actually increases... but we in this country use excess money as a free pass to avoid contribution. 

 

responsible capitalism and social capitalism are the best current routes to go. you can still be a capitalist society but emphasize people over money/corporations. 

 

 

This is false and it is explained in the Wealth of Nations, which is pretty much the Holy Bible of Classical Economics and Capitalism. 

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