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If Socialism Is The Answer....Why???????

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4 minutes ago, ben4titans said:

Our system is broken. There are too few winners and too many losers. Wealth is consolidated in the hands of a few. If the Right continues to ignore this, we will get a Socialist Populism. It's coming.

Damn, for the first time in months I read one of your posts and I'm glad I did, because this is spot on. I don't even know if it will be Socialist Populism, just Populism in general. Populism got Trump elected, and who knows where it will lead us next. Populism never ends well. A little populism (i.e. folks being "woke") is not a bad thing, but straight on Populism leads down a dark path, historically.,

 

People don't know exactly what is wrong and why, but they know they are getting fucked and that rich guys are making out like bandits. If they ever realize just how badly they are getting fucked, then yeah you're probably right we will have Socialist Populism, or maybe even outright pitchforks in the streets. People will only take so much.

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I forgot Ethan is at UVa law school now. This is the profile of a dude who corporations pay to make their taxes go away. This is the smartest person I have ever hung out with, and maybe the smartest person I ever met period:

 

https://www.law.virginia.edu/faculty/profile/ey6n/1223318

 

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Ethan Yale joined the law faculty in 2009. His research and teaching focuses on tax law and policy with an emphasis on the taxation of business entities and complex transactions, including tax shelters. He also teaches a class on the tax and securities law aspects of forming and investing through private investment funds, including hedge funds and private equity funds. Yale has written numerous publications in policy and trade journals that have been of both interest and use to academics, practitioners and the courts. He was awarded the McFarland Prize for outstanding scholarship by a junior member of the law faculty (2011), and his work was selected for presentation at the Stanford/Yale Junior Faculty Forum (2005).

Yale was a member of the Georgetown Law faculty from 2004 to 2009. Prior to joining Georgetown, he was an acting assistant professor at New York University School of Law, an associate with Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz in New York City, and a law clerk to Judge Jacques L. Wiener Jr. of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. He is a graduate of Cornell University and Tulane Law School.

 

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34 minutes ago, Legaltitan said:

Damn, for the first time in months I read one of your posts and I'm glad I did, because this is spot on. I don't even know if it will be Socialist Populism, just Populism in general. Populism got Trump elected, and who knows where it will lead us next. Populism never ends well. A little populism (i.e. folks being "woke") is not a bad thing, but straight on Populism leads down a dark path, historically.,

 

People don't know exactly what is wrong and why, but they know they are getting fucked and that rich guys are making out like bandits. If they ever realize just how badly they are getting fucked, then yeah you're probably right we will have Socialist Populism, or maybe even outright pitchforks in the streets. People will only take so much.

 

You can't have open borders, fight ridiculous wars across the globe, hand out foreign welfare like Halloween candy and give huge Corps/Wall St. tax loopholes and incentives, while also being able to ensure your citizenry has a stable safety net and adequate infrastructure.

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Capitalism is like a car. It can get you where you are going and it can do it pretty fast. But you need safety features like brakes and seatbelts. 

 

We have seen what happens to the economy when under-regulated and unbalanced. Recessions and depressions. We haven’t really fixed anything since the Great Recession because what few brakes got put back on the car under Obama just got removed again as soon as Republicans got back in power. 

 

Capitalism doesn't mean not having welfare programs, or income taxes, or unions, or even universal incomes. These are the things that allow both capitalism and society to work together. 

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The point is there is no economy unless there is motivation to produce.  It is all about production and competition drives better products and higher efficiencies.  Every company I have worked for in the manufacturing sector constantly looked for ways to improve quality, productivity and reduce expenses.  It is constant.  It is what keep companies viable.  But that motivation, while ultimately about making more profits, is what makes the pie bigger for all of us. 

 

Socialists simply don't get it.  Socialists think over taxing and over regulating are doing everybody a favor or something.  Even idiots like AOC are proud now that 25,000 people won't be working for Amazon at $150,000 (and paying taxes) in NY.  That is dumb gone to seed.  We should not forget to put certain safeguards in place socially or environmentally but at the same time we should be doing all we can to promote business. 

 

Also note that the perspective of socialists are that business is somehow evil.  Every place I have worked in manufacturing has gone above the basic regulatory requirements environmentally and promoted safety well above basic legal requirements.  Why?  Because they recognize it not only is the right thing to do but it is more profitable to do so.  This dark ages view of how employees are treated, or the environment is perceived by business is historical.  Companies that do not have to reduce carbon emissions are doing so.  My company has solar cells putting out 25% of our electrical usage.  We plan to double that.  We see it all the time.  Part of that is due to companies wanting to be seen and viewed as socially responsible. 

 

So no, capitalism would not only build the car but would also add safety features like brakes and seatbelts and by the way, look at what cars are able to do now to avoid accidents?  Technology has gone far beyond some governmental mandate.  We aren't just talking about air bags.  Everything from rear view and side view cameras, collision avoidance systems and so forth.  If socialist had their way we would all be driving some version of the Yugo, that is if we could afford a car. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

The point is there is no economy unless there is motivation to produce.  It is all about production and competition drives better products and higher efficiencies.  Every company I have worked for in the manufacturing sector constantly looked for ways to improve quality, productivity and reduce expenses.  It is constant.  It is what keep companies viable.  But that motivation, while ultimately about making more profits, is what makes the pie bigger for all of us. 

 

 

 

If you really believed this on an ideological level you'd be the biggest advocate for green initiatives on the board. 

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As long as green is profitable yes.  It is dumb to promote something that nobody wants or needs.  By the way just ask how many want an electric car if it costs twice as much to buy and see what answer you get.  Yea, the idea sounds great, saving whales and all, but the practicality isn't.  The preposterous idea the world is going to come to an end is such total BS it isn't even close to a way to motivate people. 

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Profitability is not the be all and end all. If it was we’d sell our kids into slavery. 

 

There has has to be some balance between economic growth and the public good. The government’s mandate to to serve the people, not the corporations. That doesn’t mean letting socialism take hold. But it does mean checking the capitalists from turning the economy into a financial Darwinism of winner take all and survival of the fittest. 

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14 hours ago, titanruss said:

absolute capitalism is absolutely evil... you'd think as a christian @TennesseeTuxedo that you'd know money is the root of all evil. a society whose sole purpose is to create the most money will be inherently evil. take a step back and look. when you have a ton of money your responsibility to society actually increases... but we in this country use excess money as a free pass to avoid contribution. 

 

responsible capitalism and social capitalism are the best current routes to go. you can still be a capitalist society but emphasize people over money/corporations. 

 

 

"Timothy 6:10 

 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."

 

So many of you dumbasses quote this incorrectly.  It is "FOR THE LOVE OF MONEY". That has a much different meaning.  If you are going to try to mock someone, at least know what you are referring to. 

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1 hour ago, LongTimeFan said:

"Timothy 6:10 

 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."

 

So many of you dumbasses quote this incorrectly.  It is "FOR THE LOVE OF MONEY". That has a much different meaning.  If you are going to try to mock someone, at least know what you are referring to. 

Yeah because people are always quoting the bible when they say that...🙄

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3 minutes ago, Titans_Win_Again said:

90% of the people who throw the term "socialist" around like a pejorative, wouldn't have more of an answer than "huurrr derr Venezuela", if asked to define socialism. 

90% of the people who throw around the word "socialist" forget they wouldn't have the time to be on the internet in their 'give me Capitalism or give me death' mindset, because they'd be working 12 hour days, 6 days a week for 70% of what they make today.

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Socialism is just the latest attack word, it's the next liberal.

 

Take a word, make some story up behind, redefine it, make people scared of it and label the opposition with it.

 

There is nothing wrong with certain liberal or socialist programs, in fact we have a few and some are extremely effective. But for now we'll be made scared of the words, they are evil, and anyone saying something like I just did is evil.

 

There will be other words for sure in the future, for this election it will be socialism. 

 

Just to be clear, there are "liberal" parties around the world with a liberal platform. There are socialist parties with socialist platforms. 

 

They are not evil incarnate. They are not totalitarian regimes like Venezuela. 

 

But that is reality, we'll have the doctrine that "socialism is evil" redefined and rammed down our throats for the next 2 years. I may even start to believe it if the money spent on it is enough.

 

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