freakingeek Posted February 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 8 hours ago, reo said: She's running to the center bc Republicans are so far successfully painting others as far left. I'm leery of her but I'll keep an open mind. Still like Harris the most so far and I'll vote in the primaries but in the end I'll support anyone against Trump. There's a long way to go and so much more information to be processed. I won't make my mind up until after the primary. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 I’ll vote for whoever the Democrats nominate. Anyone. pamo9, Mythos27, and MadMax 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 What some call center/moderate, I call realistic. Now, you don't want another Obama. Obama always took the progressive option totally off the table. But I don't see Klobachar as doing that. We are not going to get free 4 year college for all, and I'm not even sure it's good policy, even if we could afford it. She's for the public option, but not Medicare for all. The public option is what should have been in Obamacare. And if it works and is efficient, it will lead to medicare for all anyway, or something very much like it. There are alot of things we can do environmentally without running on the full Green New Deal. Forget policy, it was just good politics to distance herself from the Green New Deal because the rollout was a disaster. IsntLifeFunny, ChesterCopperpot1, and oldschool 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Legaltitan said: What some call center/moderate, I call realistic. Now, you don't want another Obama. Obama always took the progressive option totally off the table. But I don't see Klobachar as doing that. We are not going to get free 4 year college for all, and I'm not even sure it's good policy, even if we could afford it. She's for the public option, but not Medicare for all. The public option is what should have been in Obamacare. And if it works and is efficient, it will lead to medicare for all anyway, or something very much like it. There are alot of things we can do environmentally without running on the full Green New Deal. Forget policy, it was just good politics to distance herself from the Green New Deal because the rollout was a disaster. Its early but she's the strongest candidate of the group in my opinion. ChesterCopperpot1, and Legaltitan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot1 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Legaltitan said: What some call center/moderate, I call realistic. Now, you don't want another Obama. Obama always took the progressive option totally off the table. But I don't see Klobachar as doing that. We are not going to get free 4 year college for all, and I'm not even sure it's good policy, even if we could afford it. She's for the public option, but not Medicare for all. The public option is what should have been in Obamacare. And if it works and is efficient, it will lead to medicare for all anyway, or something very much like it. There are alot of things we can do environmentally without running on the full Green New Deal. Forget policy, it was just good politics to distance herself from the Green New Deal because the rollout was a disaster. I particularly liked that she pushed 2 year colleges and trade schools, something that has been needed for awhile. I’m liking Klobuchar more and more. Legaltitan, pamo9, and titanruss 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pamo9 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 6 hours ago, Legaltitan said: I hate to throw facts into this discussion, but ... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/former-doj-spokeswoman-cnn-political-editor_n_5c6c3b9ee4b0867082dee6ad Can't believe they would hire this nut job with no journalism experience. Won't b watching their coverage much. Ugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, oldschool said: Its early but she's the strongest candidate of the group in my opinion. That’s ridiculous. She’s polling at less than 2%. She won’t even sniff winning the primary. Anyway, I won’t vote for her - period. There is zero reason to. She has no advantages whatsoever over candidates like Biden or O’Rourke or Booker who are more moderate than the Sanders/Warren types. But you guys knock yourself out. Edited February 20, 2019 by tgo oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 hours ago, tgo said: That’s ridiculous. She’s polling at less than 2%. She won’t even sniff winning the primary. Anyway, I won’t vote for her - period. There is zero reason to. She has no advantages whatsoever over candidates like Biden or O’Rourke or Booker who are more moderate than the Sanders/Warren types. But you guys knock yourself out. She has midwest appeal which is huge. Polling numbers at this point dont mean a thing. Legaltitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 She also appears to be targeting rural voters. That gives her a pathway to perform well in Iowa where she will need to do very well. It's probably her only shot. Legaltitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 9 hours ago, tgo said: That’s ridiculous. She’s polling at less than 2%. She won’t even sniff winning the primary. Anyway, I won’t vote for her - period. There is zero reason to. She has no advantages whatsoever over candidates like Biden or O’Rourke or Booker who are more moderate than the Sanders/Warren types. But you guys knock yourself out. whoah there why the hostility? I absolutely think she brings something unique to the table that other candidates don't. She doesn't have the gaffes or age or grabbiness of Biden, she has a lot more experience than O'Rourke, who I really like but who hasn't even announced yet, and she is a totally different candidate than Booker. Sorry, have to really disagree with you. In a crowded field she has created a clear lane for herself. We'll see where it goes. And it is absolutely foolhardy at this point to say no one will sniff at winning the primary. It is way to early, the field much to crowded, and we only have to look at recent history to know that isn't true. Bill Clinton had no chance. Obama had no chance. Trump had no chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, ctm said: She also appears to be targeting rural voters. That gives her a pathway to perform well in Iowa where she will need to do very well. It's probably her only shot. She absolutely needs to perform well in Iowa, and most likely needs to win Iowa. But in a crowded field I would argue there is still a path even with a strong second place in Iowa. But yeah, the narrative will be if she can't win Iowa, then where can she win, so for all practical purposes she probably has to win there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Legaltitan said: whoah there why the hostility? I absolutely think she brings something unique to the table that other candidates don't. She doesn't have the gaffes or age or grabbiness of Biden, she has a lot more experience than O'Rourke, who I really like but who hasn't even announced yet, and she is a totally different candidate than Booker. Sorry, have to really disagree with you. In a crowded field she has created a clear lane for herself. We'll see where it goes. And it is absolutely foolhardy at this point to say no one will sniff at winning the primary. It is way to early, the field much to crowded, and we only have to look at recent history to know that isn't true. Bill Clinton had no chance. Obama had no chance. Trump had no chance. Just want to respond to one aspect of your post here - Obama had a ton of early support and people were eyeing him for president long before he announced. I supported him immediately once we entered the race. Anyway, I guess we'll see if Klobuchar wins the primary lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, tgo said: Obama had a ton of early support and people were eyeing him for president long before he announced. I supported him immediately once we entered the race. Sure he did, and I was the same way. But he wasn't supposed to win. If you had asked a lot of people they would have had him as having the third best chance, after Hillary and John Edwards. Certainly most assumed Hillary would win. He's not a perfect parallel, but nothing in politics ever is. The reason why it is silly to handicap it this early is because there is no clear frontrunner, and certainly no establishment favorite. The two polling the highest, which I assume is Biden and Bernie, also have the most name recognition. But if you think a dude pushing 80 is going to run away with the nomination, I think that's foolhardy. With Nate Silver and with oddsmakers, Trump's chances at this time point were a rounding error. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 I would definitely put Klobuchar's odds higher than Booker, and probably Warren, too. I think she is bumping up against the top tier just in terms of raw odds. As far as quality of candidate, I believe she is one of the top. Just trying to look at it objectively. She has a nice speaking style, she is intelligent without sounding elitist, she has a command of the issues, she has midwestern charm, a bit of an it factor, and she is polished. Setting aside policy, just looking at what she brings to the table as a candidate for office, she has the goods. I would rank her and Kamala as the top in this regard of those who have announced. Beto would be similar if/when he announces. Of course Biden is in this top group as well, and I think you almost have to put Bernie in there. So of those we have talked about who have a chance and a realistic path, I would say it's: Biden, Bernie, Harris, Klobachar and Beto. In no particular order. I think it will be tough for anyone outside that group, but stranger things have happened. We haven't even gotten to scandal season. And I really want to see Bullock catch a little fire and get in the conversation. oldschool, and titansfanfamily 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Legaltitan said: I would definitely put Klobuchar's odds higher than Booker, and probably Warren, too. I think she is bumping up against the top tier just in terms of raw odds. As far as quality of candidate, I believe she is one of the top. Just trying to look at it objectively. She has a nice speaking style, she is intelligent without sounding elitist, she has a command of the issues, she has midwestern charm, a bit of an it factor, and she is polished. Setting aside policy, just looking at what she brings to the table as a candidate for office, she has the goods. I would rank her and Kamala as the top in this regard of those who have announced. Beto would be similar if/when he announces. Of course Biden is in this top group as well, and I think you almost have to put Bernie in there. So of those we have talked about who have a chance and a realistic path, I would say it's: Biden, Bernie, Harris, Klobachar and Beto. In no particular order. I think it will be tough for anyone outside that group, but stranger things have happened. We haven't even gotten to scandal season. And I really want to see Bullock catch a little fire and get in the conversation. Well said. I like Booker's tenacity but if you talk to people from Jersey, he had a lot of failures as a local politician. This idea he's untouchable is foolishness. I think Harris is a better candidate at this point and I'd put her and Klobuchar at the top. @tgo, are you still hung up on the staff abuse story that cleary went nowhere? There is a reason the major outlets didn't run it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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