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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s “New Green Deal”

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Downtown   
7 minutes ago, Little Earl said:

Why doesn't Oilerman give up 70% of his 401K?  He votes for Marxists that want to do this.   I have been told the left has more empathy and are more generous as well.  So come on Oilerman, let's see you do it.   Pay your fair share for the common good.

This post also illustrates a conservative ideological mind. You can’t think about policy without thinking about yourself first. It’s not a knock. It’s not a criticism. It’s just important to understand why you believe what you believe. 

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El Guapo   
22 minutes ago, Downtown said:

This is stupid and simple thinking. 

 

Also, even a 70% tax rate does not equal 70% of your net worth. 

 

Personal responsibilty does not equal the effect of enacting policy. 

 

You would be surprised how many in this country would give up a massive chunk of their worth if they were guaranteed healthcare for all and that the wolves wouldn’t leave old folks for dead once they can’t work anymore. 

I would be shocked if a significant number of people give up their net worth for health care in others.  The point of saving is to have money when one is no longer working. To think I or anybody else would give that up is nuts. And the only reason to give up any for any reason is if your chunk is puny and you want someone else's money.

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MadMax   
4 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

I brought up the Depression as both timeframe and as a reason why they had to increase the deficit. It does matter, but your argument is nonsense.

 

 

No need to take my word for it...

https://www.thebalance.com/the-history-of-recessions-in-the-united-states-3306011

 

The Great Recession was the worst financial crisis in the U.S. since the 1929 Depression. It also was the longest-lasting: from December 2007 to June 2009. The subprime mortgage crisis was the trigger. That created a global bank credit crisis in 2007. By 2008, the credit crisis had spread to the general economy through the widespread use of derivatives.

 

The economy shrank in five quarters, including four quarters in a row. Two quarters contracted more than 5 percent. In Q4 2008, GDP was -8.4 percent, worse than any other recession since the Great Depression. The recession ended in Q3 2009, when GDP turned positive, thanks to an economic stimulus package.

 

 

Thats nothing but an opinion piece. Stop pretending it’s fact.

 

The stimulus bill had a clear, positive impact. It kept states solvent, put money in the pockets of taxpayers, and created somewhere from 1M-2.1M jobs (largely state jobs like teacher, police, firefighter, etc). 

 

 

The graph is a very clear illustration of what happened. I can’t help make it any more clear than that. It shows how America paid down the postwar debt (vs GDP) for a few years, then it went up slowly in a fairly controlled manner for about 3 decades. Then Reagan got into office and the debt blew up.

 

No one is claiming the debt didn’t increase under Obama. It did. It was because the government had to spend money to fight the recesssion. He was in no position to try balancing the budget because job 1 was backstopping the economy. But that only goes to show how criminally bad Republicans have been at managing the budget since Reagan. They blew up deficits in times of economic growth because their only goal is to give tax cuts to the rich.

Curb stomp.

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'Nator   
7 hours ago, Downtown said:

This is stupid and simple thinking. 

 

Also, even a 70% tax rate does not equal 70% of your net worth. 

 

Personal responsibilty does not equal the effect of enacting policy. 

 

You would be surprised how many in this country would give up a massive chunk of their worth if they were guaranteed healthcare for all and that the wolves wouldn’t leave old folks for dead once they can’t work anymore. 

Right wing fuckass: "WISH'D IT WUZ LIKE THE GOOD OLE DAYS IN THE 1950S WHEN THIS CUNTRY WUZ GREAT! THE LIBTARDS WANNA TAX YEW 70%!"

 

Libtard: "You mean like the 1950s, when you said things were great?"

 

Right wing fuckass: "WAIT NAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!!"

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OILERMAN   

Does anyone remember one of the Republican proposals in the first drafts of the shitty tax cut was limiting annual contribution limits to your 401k to a measly $2500.00? It's currently 19k. Talk about fucking over the middle class. 

 

Also the Republican proposed to strip federal employees pay and benefits. Republicans proposed to raise the cost I pay for my pension from .8% to a whopping 6%, end the FERS supplement and end cost of living raises.

 

I don't need any help showing me who to vote for economically. I'm completely informed on the economic agendas. 

 

Straight Democrat baby. You ain't dealing with some retard Trump supporter voting against his own self interest. 

 

 

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Bink   

I don't see how you can analyze the actions of Republicans and see anything other than a blatant tax grab. Like where is the evidence that shows otherwise? They've realized the ignorant folks of this country will willingly destroy their lives if it makes them feel superior to minorities. 

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The only rate that matters is the effective rate you end up actually paying; of course that's never the rate that's gets bandied about. Even if that 70% rate was implemented, it would only apply to earnings above a very high cutoff point.

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Soxcat   

Leave it the libtards to come up with a circular argument to make the dumbest ideas look plausible. 

Here are the facts.  This green deal is absolutely stupid.  Moronic,  Presented by a moron.  You can pick a few parts that won't in and of themselves be catastrophic to our standard of living but there is no escaping this socialistic idiocy. 

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Justafan   

Coming from conservatards who constantly misrepresent socialism because they are so thoroughly misinformed about the wide variety of governments in the world, the above statement means very little.  

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