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Soxcat   
2 hours ago, reo said:

Lol Edelman is average at best and is only relevant bc of Brady. Dude didn't even have a great season, just a good Superbowl. There's a case to be made for a top WR but using the Pats "almost" losing bc they didn't have one and then pivoting to them having a great slot WR is just dumb.

Edlemen had 74 catches for 850 yards in only 12 games.  His average yards per catch was the best in his career.  What is dumb is not recognizing how important the guy is in moving the chains.  And yes, despite Edleman, who is strictly a guy who catches short passes for first downs, they missed a legit outside guy to pressure the defense.  On top of that the Rams also missed a legit top notch WR on the outside and had Cooks bottled up all game by Gilmore.  So yes, that game proved the value of needing quality wideouts.  I understand your advanced degrees in rocket science don't enable you to see the forest from the trees but those are the facts.  Even Brady needs play makers that put multiple pressure points on the defense.  Edlemen was impossible to cover that game.  Hogan couldn't get open if his life depended on it.  Sorry this requires more than a cursory understanding of football to grasp so is over your head. 

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reo   
10 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

Edlemen had 74 catches for 850 yards in only 12 games.  His average yards per catch was the best in his career.  What is dumb is not recognizing how important the guy is in moving the chains.  And yes, despite Edleman, who is strictly a guy who catches short passes for first downs, they missed a legit outside guy to pressure the defense.  On top of that the Rams also missed a legit top notch WR on the outside and had Cooks bottled up all game by Gilmore.  So yes, that game proved the value of needing quality wideouts.  I understand your advanced degrees in rocket science don't enable you to see the forest from the trees but those are the facts.  Even Brady needs play makers that put multiple pressure points on the defense.  Edlemen was impossible to cover that game.  Hogan couldn't get open if his life depended on it.  Sorry this requires more than a cursory understanding of football to grasp so is over your head. 

LOL so which is it? Pat's almost lost bc they don't have a great WR or Edelman is a great WR?

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21 minutes ago, reo said:

LOL so which is it? Pat's almost lost bc they don't have a great WR or Edelman is a great WR?

No, Edleman didn't win SB MVP because of his physical prowess, he won it because of his brain and experience.  He knows how to find the hole(s) in a defense, and then he goes there.

Like the old baseball adage "hit 'em where they ain't."

 

Brady knows this, and knows if he sees a hole in the coverage anywhere near Edleman's route, that Edleman will find it, and be there.

There's both chemistry and trust involved here, and both are dependent upon experience with each other, and then familiarity with what you're up against in terms of the opponent and their scheme.

 

More than anything, I believe that's what Marcus missed with Delanie out last season.

 

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abc2330   
39 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said:

No, Edleman didn't win SB MVP because of his physical prowess, he won it because of his brain and experience.  He knows how to find the hole(s) in a defense, and then he goes there.

Like the old baseball adage "hit 'em where they ain't."

 

Brady knows this, and knows if he sees a hole in the coverage anywhere near Edleman's route, that Edleman will find it, and be there.

There's both chemistry and trust involved here, and both are dependent upon experience with each other, and then familiarity with what you're up against in terms of the opponent and their scheme.

 

More than anything, I believe that's what Marcus missed with Delanie out last season.

 

Like Marcus' mental processing ability is anywhere close to Brady.  Walker actually does get open because of physical prowess.

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reo   
37 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said:

No, Edleman didn't win SB MVP because of his physical prowess, he won it because of his brain and experience.  He knows how to find the hole(s) in a defense, and then he goes there.

Like the old baseball adage "hit 'em where they ain't."

 

Brady knows this, and knows if he sees a hole in the coverage anywhere near Edleman's route, that Edleman will find it, and be there.

There's both chemistry and trust involved here, and both are dependent upon experience with each other, and then familiarity with what you're up against in terms of the opponent and their scheme.

 

More than anything, I believe that's what Marcus missed with Delanie out last season.

 

I agree completely. 

 

What I'm laughing at is Sox using the Pats as an example of a team that needed a great WR bc they "almost" lost the Super bc they didn't have one, ignoring that they made it there and won it thus negating his arguement. But then once pressed about it, claiming Edelman was a great WR.... thus negating using them as an example of a team almost losing bc they didn't have a great WR.

 

It was just a hilarious convoluted clusterfuck of a point that I found entertaining. 

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3 hours ago, Starkiller said:

It’s also worth adding that Antonio Brown will be on the trade block if teams are looking to add a top WR. And the Steelers are more inclined to move him than the Bengals or Falcons are with their guys. 

Eh, idk. The Bengals have Tyler Boyd who really came on strong this past year and they also have John Ross who could potentially break out.

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Number9   
2 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said:

Eh, idk. The Bengals have Tyler Boyd who really came on strong this past year and they also have John Ross who could potentially break out.

John Ross will always be could potentially, that's his ceiling.  210 yards this year.

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29 minutes ago, Number9 said:

John Ross will always be could potentially, that's his ceiling.  210 yards this year.

The point of my post wasn't about Ross and his potential. It was about why the Bengals may be open to trading Green. You think his ceiling is mere potential and that may turn out to be true down the road. But you don't know how the Bengals view/value Ross.

 

Even if Ross is nothing but potential, the Bengals are the ones who drafted him. It wouldn't be the first mistake they've ever made and it wouldn't be the last.

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Number9   
21 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said:

But you don't know how the Bengals view/value Ross.

No.  I just know how anybody in their right mind would probably look at John Ross.  Number 9 overall pick, 219 yards total, in two years.

 

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52O   
10 hours ago, DecepticonShawn said:

A first for an aging receiver? Why?

See: what Amari did for the cowboys 

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