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57 minutes ago, GOAT9 said:

I may be wrong but I thought Edelman was found while in recovery from his injury, and that no official substance was found. It was something that had a chemical composition similar to a steroid. This sounds like he was using whatever it was to recover from an injury, not to gain a competitive advantage. Steroids are commonly used in recovery and treatments of things. Inhalers for asthmatics contain a steroid. 

Lol yeah, just like all the other times. Pats have a reason for their cheating.

 

I want somebody to explain how the Pats always get good flags in critical moments. Announcers always like "yeah not sure about that one." Like the center call for holding or the defenseless receiver call in the SB. Never on 1st and 10 when they're ab to lose either. Always 3rd down, or when an opponent is gonna take the lead...

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"Cheating" is a constant in every high-profile sport at the professional and collegiate levels...and probably at the high school level as well.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

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20 minutes ago, SleepingTitan said:

Lol yeah, just like all the other times. Pats have a reason for their cheating.

 

I want somebody to explain how the Pats always get good flags in critical moments. Announcers always like "yeah not sure about that one." Like the center call for holding or the defenseless receiver call in the SB. Never on 1st and 10 when they're ab to lose either. Always 3rd down, or when an opponent is gonna take the lead...

 

Every team gets bad calls against them and bad calls that go their way.  Most of them don't have a significant impact on the season and end up being forgotten.

 

I doubt the Patriots  get any more favorable calls than any other team;  what's different is the level of attention they receive.  For most teams, blown or borderline calls are only seen and complained about by the local fan base.  When the Patriots are the beneficiary,  those plays are the subject of national conversation....not because the calls are any better or worse, but because it's the Patriots.   They're the most successful and highest profile team in the NFL....and when those mistakes happen, *everybody* hears about it.      The plays are the same.....the perception is the only thing that changes.

 

I remember reading an article several years ago about how Tony Romo was so overrated and his penchant for making critical mistakes in clutch situations.   That was always the knock on Romo, right?

 

The author of this article wanted to see just how much truth there was to Romo's reputation....so went back and analyzed every one of Romo's performances, broke them down to situational statistics,  and compared his performances to other high-profile QBs in similar situations.   I don't recall the exact details....but his analysis showed that Romo was actually one of the top 10 clutch QBs in the league.   What set Romo apart from other QBs was the fact that he had far more prime-time national games than most other QBs....so whenever he did screw up, it happened on a national stage where everyone could see.   And even if Romo played lights-out in the weeks that followed.....all the fans cared about was the one game where he screwed up.   And thus a reputation was born.

 

We're seeing the exact same thing with the whole "the league favors the Patriots" argument.     Every team gets a lucky break now and then....we just don't hear much about it.  But when it happens to the Patriots, it becomes a story....and since we rarely hear about other teams getting lucky breaks, people think the league is playing favorites.

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1 hour ago, nine said:

 

Every team gets bad calls against them and bad calls that go their way.  Most of them don't have a significant impact on the season and end up being forgotten.

 

I doubt the Patriots  get any more favorable calls than any other team;  what's different is the level of attention they receive.  For most teams, blown or borderline calls are only seen and complained about by the local fan base.  When the Patriots are the beneficiary,  those plays are the subject of national conversation....not because the calls are any better or worse, but because it's the Patriots.   They're the most successful and highest profile team in the NFL....and when those mistakes happen, *everybody* hears about it.      The plays are the same.....the perception is the only thing that changes.

 

I remember reading an article several years ago about how Tony Romo was so overrated and his penchant for making critical mistakes in clutch situations.   That was always the knock on Romo, right?

 

The author of this article wanted to see just how much truth there was to Romo's reputation....so went back and analyzed every one of Romo's performances, broke them down to situational statistics,  and compared his performances to other high-profile QBs in similar situations.   I don't recall the exact details....but his analysis showed that Romo was actually one of the top 10 clutch QBs in the league.   What set Romo apart from other QBs was the fact that he had far more prime-time national games than most other QBs....so whenever he did screw up, it happened on a national stage where everyone could see.   And even if Romo played lights-out in the weeks that followed.....all the fans cared about was the one game where he screwed up.   And thus a reputation was born.

 

We're seeing the exact same thing with the whole "the league favors the Patriots" argument.     Every team gets a lucky break now and then....we just don't hear much about it.  But when it happens to the Patriots, it becomes a story....and since we rarely hear about other teams getting lucky breaks, people think the league is playing favorites.

Why don't you just Tuck Rule this essay away under the file heading, "Roughing the Passer," 15 yard penalty, first down New England. 

 

Actually, why don't you smash your phone before somebody finds evidence that you wrote this. 

 

People like you are so predictable. It's like I filmed your play caller.

 

Your argument is deflated. 

 

And on and on and on and on "Greatest Dynasty in the History of Pro Sports"

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16 hours ago, SleepingTitan said:

Oh whatever. Every great dynasty has been caught cheating. The Pats get caught every couple years, and I suspect one day a larger scandal that was never caught will be uncovered. Right now, they're making the NFL billions. 

 

Alabama, if everyone remembers for ex, sucked ass before Saban came along? Why? Well, cause they got caught cheating and had to pay the price in penalties for years. 

 

It's honestly a little disgusting that people believe that an organization could dominate professional sports like this and not be doing something egregious. Every dominant athlete that has sustained dominance has been caught cheating. Lance Armstrong. Even the great Jerry Rice admitted to it. To think that a GROUP could dominate this much without some really shady practices...utter idiocy. 

Old school always backs the pats and the nfl. Thinks everything is 100% fair and even all the time. And even believes there are no media biases for / against certain teams. 

 

Its an interesting look for him and doesn’t really fit with the rest of how he posts.  

 

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13 hours ago, SleepingTitan said:

Oh whatever. Every great dynasty has been caught cheating. The Pats get caught every couple years, and I suspect one day a larger scandal that was never caught will be uncovered. Right now, they're making the NFL billions. 

 

Alabama, if everyone remembers for ex, sucked ass before Saban came along? Why? Well, cause they got caught cheating and had to pay the price in penalties for years. 

 

It's honestly a little disgusting that people believe that an organization could dominate professional sports like this and not be doing something egregious. Every dominant athlete that has sustained dominance has been caught cheating. Lance Armstrong. Even the great Jerry Rice admitted to it. To think that a GROUP could dominate this much without some really shady practices...utter idiocy. 

What a mass of bipolared stuff. GET REAL!!

I am sure that the 70s Steelers didn't cheat...the 49ers of the 80s didn't cheat.
Miami dumbfucked themselves with Marino's mistakes...same with the Cowgirls by Romo (most chocking QB at important games in NFL history).

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The Patriots have the best coach in the recorded history of team sports.  The Pats practice in snow and rain.  By comparison, how often do you think Buffalo does the same?  You hear players describe if as a very grueling season to play for the Pats.  If your team practiced smarter and harder than the rest, your players might overachieve.

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16 hours ago, TitanicoNFLriotFAN said:

 What a mass of bipolared stuff. GET REAL!!

 I am sure that the 70s Steelers didn't cheat...the 49ers of the 80s didn't cheat.
Miami dumbfucked themselves with Marino's mistakes...same with the Cowgirls by Romo (most chocking QB at important games in NFL history).

 

Hard to tell if this is sarcasm of if you're serious.

 

The NFL implemented the first banned substances policy in 1987.   Prior to that, steroid use in the NFL was like the wild, wild west.   It's a well-known and well-documented fact that steroids and PEDs were used almost universally  across the league during the 1960's-70s-80s.    Numerous athletes from those eras have openly discussed their use (and over-use) of steroids and other PEDs.

 

Former Broncos/Raiders All-Pro DE Lyle Alzado once estimated that 90% of players he knew were using them in some form.    In one of his books, Kenny Stabler wrote  about team doctors keeping large candy bowls full of amphetamines in the locker room before games....players literally ate them by the handful like M&Ms, and would walk out onto the field jumpy and tweaked out of their minds.

 

These days, people may not think of those teams/players as "cheating" because the league had not yet established a policy prohibiting it....but it's no different than what we see today.   It just didn't get national attention or the associated stigma attached to it.

 

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12 hours ago, nine said:

 

Hard to tell if this is sarcasm of if you're serious.

 

The NFL implemented the first banned substances policy in 1987.   Prior to that, steroid use in the NFL was like the wild, wild west.   It's a well-known and well-documented fact that steroids and PEDs were used almost universally  across the league during the 1960's-70s-80s.    Numerous athletes from those eras have openly discussed their use (and over-use) of steroids and other PEDs.

 

Former Broncos/Raiders All-Pro DE Lyle Alzado once estimated that 90% of players he knew were using them in some form.    In one of his books, Kenny Stabler wrote  about team doctors keeping large candy bowls full of amphetamines in the locker room before games....players literally ate them by the handful like M&Ms, and would walk out onto the field jumpy and tweaked out of their minds.

 

These days, people may not think of those teams/players as "cheating" because the league had not yet established a policy prohibiting it....but it's no different than what we see today.   It just didn't get national attention or the associated stigma attached to it.

 

Cheatting as video-recording other teams' playbooks...using a snow mover clean the kicker spot...deflating balls during a SB.

Amphetamines were out of control during the 80s...yet, the biggest issue about using that substance, was that later players who consumed them were having serious health issues or dying too young. basiclly that's why the NFL banned it's use, to protect their well being. The NFL was becoming in an important national health issue. Not because that helped many teams to get into the SB. there's a clear difference.

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21 minutes ago, TitanicoNFLriotFAN said:

Cheatting as video-recording other teams' playbooks...using a snow mover clean the kicker spot...deflating balls during a SB.

Amphetamines were out of control during the 80s...yet, the biggest issue about using that substance, was that later players who consumed them were having serious health issues or dying too young. basiclly that's why the NFL banned it's use, to protect their well being. The NFL was becoming in an important national health issue. Not because that helped many teams to get into the SB. there's a clear difference.

Pretty sure the NFL didn't care about the players' well being.  They cared about their image and how that would affect their bottom line (and possible successful law suits that would....wait for it....affect their bottom line).

 

 

Back to the topic:  They all cheat.  Pats get skylined when it happens cause everybody gets sick of losing to them and seeing them dominate.  

Face it. Nobody cares if the Browns or us cheat.  It's going to affect jack all to the season or playoffs overall.

 

BB has consistently organized a coaching team that is adamant about game planning, utilizing/maximizing talent, and adjusting.

We should all be hoping Vrabel develops his coaching skill/scheme and organizes his staff(s) the way Bill does. 

Love them or hate them the team has dominated.

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19 hours ago, Titan8425 said:

 

Love them or hate them the team has dominated.

It's aside and far from a "love or hate" standpoint.

Take well care of a sport. A sport who drove millions to follow for something really important. competition...legal competition and  SPORTMANSHIP.

If sports had become important in millions of kids' lives is for the formation, for the pysical condition enabling all that to also understand why an efficent team work is important to create a force. Not only sportwise, but classroomwise and later jobwise.

if a sport sees those attributes dilluted or lost, then the world has lost the sense of what's a true discipline and talent. It seems that in our times or in recent years the selfish acts had been socialy glorified...and the path to what really matters for any human-being to become truthfuly succesful had been also lost.

Personally I refuse to glorify the selfish acts.
 

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