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abc2330   
10 hours ago, GOAT9 said:

Yeah I cant stand when ppl bring up Cassel and the Pats 11-5 crap. That team was 16-0 with Brady, they were loaded. The AFC was also lopsided that year. 11-5 wasn't even good enough for the Pats to get to the playoffs.

You can look at Brady's career in NE and see which year was the outlier.  They typically win 13 games and he throws somewhere around 30 TDs each year.  Every QB has an insane year where they put up crazy numbers like 2011 Rodgers, 2016 Ryan, 2004 manning, etc.  They all typically return to earth shortly afterwards.  NE won 10 games when Brady returned the following year with Moss, Edelman, a top 5 scoring defense, etc.

 

Of course they weren't as good with Cassell.  Cassell was a massive downgrade from Mariota, let alone Brady.  The fact that they could get 3,700 yards and 11 wins in a more competitive AFC that year speaks to how good of a situation Brady has been in.

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big2033   
5 minutes ago, abc2330 said:

You can look at Brady's career in NE and see which year was the outlier.  They typically win 13 games and he throws somewhere around 30 TDs each year.  Every QB has an insane year where they put up crazy numbers like 2011 Rodgers, 2016 Ryan, 2004 manning, etc.  They all typically return to earth shortly afterwards.  NE won 10 games when Brady returned the following year with Moss, Edelman, a top 5 scoring defense, etc.

 

Of course they weren't as good with Cassell.  Cassell was a massive downgrade from Mariota, let alone Brady.  The fact that they could get 3,700 yards and 11 wins in a more competitive AFC that year speaks to how good of a situation Brady has been in.

What people don't realize is a lot of NFL QBs, whether they start or backup are good for a couple of good games. ESPECIALLY when teams don't have film or knowledge of that QB.

 

It's always how they adapt to you after a handful of games or a season that separates the starters from the backups.

 

RGlll looked like a superstar before teams figured him out. Matt Cassel was always fool's gold and Belichick traded his ass fast.

 

It's also part of the reason the Eagles let Nick Foles walk. I don't think they believe he can adapt once teams can prepare for him extensively.

 

A coach or an OC can only keep defenses guessing if their QB has a limited skillset for so long. Similar to Jared Goff's situation, we'll see if Goff can adapt going forward when defenses force him to play outside McVay's gameplan.

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abc2330   
41 minutes ago, big2033 said:

What people don't realize is a lot of NFL QBs, whether they start or backup are good for a couple of good games. ESPECIALLY when teams don't have film or knowledge of that QB.

 

It's always how they adapt to you after a handful of games or a season that separates the starters from the backups.

 

RGlll looked like a superstar before teams figured him out. Matt Cassel was always fool's gold and Belichick traded his ass fast.

 

It's also part of the reason the Eagles let Nick Foles walk. I don't think they believe he can adapt once teams can prepare for him extensively.

 

A coach or an OC can only keep defenses guessing if their QB has a limited skillset for so long. Similar to Jared Goff's situation, we'll see if Goff can adapt going forward when defenses force him to play outside McVay's gameplan.

We'll see with Goff.  I personally think people are too hard on him.  I just don't think you can scheme 4,700 yards for a QB, it takes ability on his his part.  And his expected completion % was 60%, so he wasn't taking easy shots by any means (Mariota's was 67%).  And Goff exceed that by 4%.  Wentz' numbers indicate that he had less on his plate.

 

If the argument is that he has a good coach, Brady has the best coach of all time in any sport  and Brees has possibly the best offensive coach of all time who completely evolved him.  Neither are close to what they are with Jeff Fisher at coach.  Rodgers, Wilson, and Luck could be put in any situation and be successful. But luck and Rodgers ended up on IR several times while doing so, and Rodgers clearly had enough of years of incompetence .  They can't even use Wilson to his full capabilities because his terrible coach and O line would get him killed.

 

Coaching and talent matter.  It's tough to knock a young player for needing it when that is exactly what got the great QBs to where they are.

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Goff was nowhere to be found in the SB. That's why he's feeling the heat. NE had a great defensive game plan and their secondary played pretty well but Goff seldom got past the 2nd read because he was getting pressured the whole game. LA should have gotten him out of the pocket with some playaction but they didn't adjust. 

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Soxcat   

McVay made no adjustments and the Pats rush on Goff looked like what the Ravens did to Mariota.  On top of that is the mystery of why Gurley only had 8 carries. 

Great pass rush, good coverage and having no running game is usually the recipe for a bad day offensively no matter who the QB is.

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Nash   

Good point, Sox.. Have to think that Belicheck looked at how the Ravens sacked and confused Mariota..While our offense was not nearly as efficient or explosive as the Rams, the Ravens showed how to play defense against McVay's system.. 

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Number9   

If we are going to go offense, then Noah Fant is the guy I would take at 19.  This guy is going to become on of the premiere TE in the NFL.  Delaine is coming back and we hope he is his old self.  Fant is the future of the NFL.  Offenses need to put up points and make big plays down field.  Get a TE now who can get open and make plays after the catch.  But, but, we got Jonnu.  Trade him, unless you think he's on the level of Kelse or Ertz or Ebron.

 

Whoever is behind center in 2020 will be grateful.

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