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Soxcat   

No but that is obviously the preferred method.  The Republicans have no problem allowing a decent number of work visas and such as well as a path to citizenship for those who play by the rules.  Doesn't it get tiring being an idiot? 

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Soxcat   
20 minutes ago, Bink said:

I mean, here's the thing. 

 

This is what Soxcat wrote: 

 

1  how many think walls don't work?

2.  how many think walls are immoral?

3.  how many think Pelosi knows a damn thing about border security?

 

How do you argue with this? Seriously, a generalization about whether or not walls work and then one about whether or not walls, conceptually speaking, are immoral...

 

are you fucking kidding me? 

 

This is a multi-year, multi-billion dollar policy decision. The application of critical thinking skills should be required. Understanding of immigration policy should be required. 

 

Trump's call for the wall is based on a simple appeal to pathos (Criminals! Drugs! Murderers! Human Traffickers!) 

 

Soxcat and other wall advocates--choose one thing from that bucket and show me the policy that says the wall is the best solution. 

 

I made a policy challenge in another thread regarding the shut down that was a basic ask and none of them even attempted to respond. 

 

Maybe it was too many words. But when you ask them to get into the details and get into the reality of how people combat these issues you will see them hit, pun intended, a fucking wall. 

 

Honestly, your three little bullets points are applying elementary school education logic to the issue. I'm pressing you right now for evidence or an argument based around logical points about cost, infrastructure, alternative solutions, sources of immigration, and best practices in immigration enforcement. 

 

Give me something other than your talk radio parroted false generalizations, emotional outbursts, and outright dumb lines of thinking. 

 

hOw mAnY tHiNK wALlS dOn'T wOrK? 

 

Give me a fucking break. 

The secure fence act estimated that it would cost between $11.5 billion and $49 billion to build and maintain 700 miles of double layer border fence (which was later amended and allowed single layer fencing).  The fence that has been erected for the most part has worked.  Obama, Schumer and Clinton along with 23 Senate Democrats voted for it. 

 

As for the elementary logic it is the Democrats that have made this a surreal bunch of idiotic shit.  The wall/fence/barrier will be built one way or another.  The wall is only a part of border security but an important one and the ONLY reason idiots make these claims is to beat Trump.  There is no logic or reasoning outside of this. 

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ctm   

Here we go again.  Trying to make it seem that a wall and a fence are the same thing.

 

Trump promised a wall.  In the past, democrats have voted for fencing, but not a wall.

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MadMax   
6 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

The secure fence act estimated that it would cost between $11.5 billion and $49 billion to build and maintain 700 miles of double layer border fence (which was later amended and allowed single layer fencing).  The fence that has been erected for the most part has worked.  Obama, Schumer and Clinton along with 23 Senate Democrats voted for it. 

 

As for the elementary logic it is the Democrats that have made this a surreal bunch of idiotic shit.  The wall/fence/barrier will be built one way or another.  The wall is only a part of border security but an important one and the ONLY reason idiots make these claims is to beat Trump.  There is no logic or reasoning outside of this. 

You really didn't understand any of the stuff we said (typed), did you?

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Bink   
11 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

The secure fence act estimated that it would cost between $11.5 billion and $49 billion to build and maintain 700 miles of double layer border fence (which was later amended and allowed single layer fencing).  The fence that has been erected for the most part has worked.  Obama, Schumer and Clinton along with 23 Senate Democrats voted for it. 

 

As for the elementary logic it is the Democrats that have made this a surreal bunch of idiotic shit.  The wall/fence/barrier will be built one way or another.  The wall is only a part of border security but an important one and the ONLY reason idiots make these claims is to beat Trump.  There is no logic or reasoning outside of this. 

Right. So if the policies the Democrats proposed and are working, why do we need to radically alter the way we are approaching infrastructure? 

 

If the cost of fencing alone would be what you wrote, how does Trump's ask in terms of cost even begin to cover the long sustained development and build of a wall? 

 

How does a wall actually impact trafficking versus other security measures? The drug trade? How do we account for the fact that most illegal drugs enter the US not through methods of ground transportation according to the DEA? Additionally, what about crossing that take place through transit vehicles and not carried on the body of a person (the impacted border crosser affected by the wall). 

 

If we are worried about drug related deaths and drug abuse anyways, wouldn't our resources be better suited to solving the opioid crisis? 

 

How do we address the fact that violent crimes committed by immigrants are outliers? What about terrorism? All the data shows the connection between the Mexican border as a point of entry and terrorism is tenuous at best? https://www.cato.org/blog/center-immigration-studies-shows-very-small-threat-terrorists-crossing-mexican-border

 

 

 

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MadMax   
5 minutes ago, Bink said:

Right. So if the policies the Democrats proposed and are working, why do we need to radically alter the way we are approaching infrastructure? 

 

If the cost of fencing alone would be what you wrote, how does Trump's ask in terms of cost even begin to cover the long sustained development and build of a wall? 

 

How does a wall actually impact trafficking versus other security measures? The drug trade? How do we account for the fact that most illegal drugs enter the US not through methods of ground transportation according to the DEA? Additionally, what about crossing that take place through transit vehicles and not carried on the body of a person (the impacted border crosser affected by the wall). 

 

If we are worried about drug related deaths and drug abuse anyways, wouldn't our resources be better suited to solving the opioid crisis? 

 

How do we address the fact that violent crimes committed by immigrants are outliers? What about terrorism? All the data shows the connection between the Mexican border as a point of entry and terrorism is tenuous at best? https://www.cato.org/blog/center-immigration-studies-shows-very-small-threat-terrorists-crossing-mexican-border

 

 

 

He doesn't know.  All he knows is, "Trump say wall good".

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28 minutes ago, MadMax said:

You really didn't understand any of the stuff we said (typed), did you?

To be fair, he isn’t really paying attention to what we say. Only what the right wing media has to say...

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8 hours ago, reo said:

This surprises no one. Ben isn't even bothering to call it fake.

 

Call the schedule fake or the circle jerk crowd assuming Executive Time means watching Fox news and eating Cheetos? I assume the schedule is real and he's pretty busy during Executive Time.

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Btowner   
1 hour ago, MadMax said:

He doesn't know.  All he knows is, "Trump say wall good".

Agree. Even if the Dems gave Trump the $5 billion, does any Trump supporter know how long it would take to complete the wall or how much more money would be needed to complete the wall? Besides saying build the wall, has Trump even mentioned the estimated completion date of the wall?

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