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17 minutes ago, reo said:

Yeah. It seems tons of people around here are high on him but I don't really see why. I'm fine with it but don't over pay. 

 

I don't really know anything about him though outside his stats. Was he a starter or role player?

Would be nice to have a cheap vet that knows Pees system. Def upgrade to Rak & Morgan, but like I said, Morgan played well EOY 

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After listening with Pees talk about how hard his system is to learn going after a veteran like Za'Darius Smith who played in the scheme makes the obvious choice. 

Shitting on tolar might be the only thing that brings TR together.

We don't have a weak roster, there is no way a weak roster wins 9 games the last two years with such limited production from the QB position.   What we do lack is elite talent.

1 minute ago, Soxcat said:

My guess is Za'Darius Smith will be over paid.  However, with guys like Clowney and Flowers also on the market he might be less expensive than in some other years.  So he could be a viable option assuming Pees and JRob reaslly believe his best years are ahead and last year wasn't a freak year.  I just have no idea what his market will be.  He is young and if they think he is going to give us 8.5 or more sacks as a starter I'd seriously consider him. 

 

I know Morgan had an off year.  Had some injury issues and split some time with Landry.  But he is decent against the run in the base and did have 7.5 and 9.0 sacks the two years previous.  Thus if he was willing to play for $5 mil a year or something (was making $7.5) I'd bring him back on a two year deal and let him finish his career in TN. 

All free agents are over-paid basically. The key is making sure you aren't "excessively" over-paying in free agency. 

 

The only way to really lure good players away from their teams is paying them more than those teams or other teams deem they are worth. 

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39 minutes ago, tgo said:

All free agents are over-paid basically. The key is making sure you aren't "excessively" over-paying in free agency. 

 

The only way to really lure good players away from their teams is paying them more than those teams or other teams deem they are worth. 

Yeah, and if you're New England, you somehow, miraculously, get players to sign cheap, short-term contracts that are heavily incentive based. And people actually believe it's "to win a Superbowl"

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9 hours ago, Soxcat said:

They are considering a similar deal for Thuney who was drafted in 2016.  By the way Mason was a 4th round pick and Thuney was a 3rd.  Maybe JRob needs to draft some OGs in those rounds the next few years instead of depending on guys off the street which is basically what he has now.

 

Not to open old wounds or anything, but Thuney was available to us with the 3rd Round pick we had given up for Conklin.  Instead we scooped up Sebastian Tretola in the 6th Round. Just sayin'... still.

 

We are 5-6 quality players away from being a significantly better team!

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16 minutes ago, charleytolar said:

Not to open old wounds or anything, but Thuney was available to us with the 3rd Round pick we had given up for Conklin.  Instead we scooped up Sebastian Tretola in the 6th Round. Just sayin'... still.

 

We are 5-6 quality players away from being a significantly better team!

You’re never going to let that third round pick go are you?

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13 hours ago, heyitsmeallen said:

I agree. Jrob has been pretty good so far about filling holes in FA to allow him to go BPA in the draft. 

Hmmmm....I'm usually pretty fluent in pornography short-hand nomenclature. Let me give this a go.....JRob has been filling so many holes in Fat Asians (?) that he's going to have Big Penis Anemia (?) during the draft?  Is this true?! Am I close?

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I don't know what it is but I'm just not in love with Za'Darius Smith. I need to check out how much he moves inside to rush though & how productive he is from there. But he never did much until this year & its not like he exploded.

 

On top of that, the Ravens know their guys, especially the defensive ones. Does anybody think an organization as well run as Baltimore is just going to sit back & let a stud, prime ages edge player go check his value on the market? 

 

Granted I don't think their cap situation is the best & they do have Mosley to resign & possibly Suggs.

 

Frankly Id much prefer Suggs to Smith. Won't be nearly the monetary commitment, will be a short term deal, is a much better run player (Smith isn't great against the run despite his size), is a pro's pro....the guy has a  notebook filled with all kinds of info on lineman & QB's, their tendencies, etc. We could really use a veteran whose performed & won on the level this guy has. And most of all, he's nasty. He's as tough & aggressive as they come. 

 

Suggs is the type of short term vet signing that pay huge dividends.

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23 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

Tretola ended up being a mental case but was promising at first.  I don't totally disagree we have to be careful trading away picks but again, at the time we made the deal for Conklin we had already won a bunch of picks in trades and the focus was on getting the best fit at RT.  You could go back and argue how we could have had a heck of an OG with the pick we used for the Clemson kid as well. 

There's an old adage in management: "This year's solution is next year's problem." I'm just more cautious by nature. These moves cannot be viewed in isolation, i.e. "we got Conklin-- damn the cost!" We could have had Taylor Decker/Jon Thuney (and the other missing 2nd Round pick?) which is as good or better than Conklin/Kline-- and now there is a murmur to replace Kline with Conklin.

 

I'm more of a trade-down thinker. No matter where you pick, there's almost always worse and better players than the one you got. Being judicious in your selection (we've whiffed on quite a few) and having extra shots (not since the trade-down with the Rams-- they're in the Super Bowl and we're not) would be my modus most of the time beyond standing pat.

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9 hours ago, woolfolksunclesuncle said:

Hmmmm....I'm usually pretty fluent in pornography short-hand nomenclature. Let me give this a go.....JRob has been filling so many holes in Fat Asians (?) that he's going to have Big Penis Anemia (?) during the draft?  Is this true?! Am I close?

Nailed it.

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11 hours ago, charleytolar said:

Not to open old wounds or anything, but Thuney was available to us with the 3rd Round pick we had given up for Conklin.  Instead we scooped up Sebastian Tretola in the 6th Round. Just sayin'... still.

 

We are 5-6 quality players away from being a significantly better team!

Tolar continues to beat the no-trade drum.  Hysterical.

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3 hours ago, Soxcat said:

Notice the strangeness of this argument.  The Rams traded DOWN to get Goff doing exactly what you said you wouldn't do and they are in the SB and we are not.  We had the extra picks, they did not, and they are in the SB. 

Goff is not the reason they are in the Super Bowl but he is a capable QB. It was just an ironic observation.

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3 hours ago, japan said:

Tolar continues to beat the no-trade drum.  Hysterical.

Trade UP judiciously. Trade down more freely. More picks is better. The hysteria is in not recognizing that playing the odds is smarter. Why is it hysterical? The 5-6 players we are shy is represented by the good picks we've give up to target certain people.

 

If you are not allowed to retroactively cherry-pick better choices, neither are you allowed to shut your eyes and ears and just say "we could not have done better." 

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41 minutes ago, charleytolar said:

Trade UP judiciously. Trade down more freely. More picks is better. The hysteria is in not recognizing that playing the odds is smarter. Why is it hysterical? The 5-6 players we are shy is represented by the good picks we've give up to target certain people.

 

If you are not allowed to retroactively cherry-pick better choices, neither are you allowed to shut your eyes and ears and just say "we could not have done better." 

Or the great picks we’ve made to get 40 damn good players. If we were honestly 5-6 players shy of a complete team we would be in the SB

 

we are more 9-10 players shy

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