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Opinion: Lindsay Graham Betraying Senate

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1 hour ago, Soxcat said:

Graham is just trying to maintain leverage.

Leverage for his party or the institution he serves on?

 

The point I was trying to make is that his support for bypassing the Senate on this eroded the power of the Senate/Congress. Were emergency declaration to prevail in this clearly-not-an-emergency case, the President's power is greatly strengthened and checks and balances are reduced. For all time.

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Soxcat   
20 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

Leverage for his party or the institution he serves on?

 

The point I was trying to make is that his support for bypassing the Senate on this eroded the power of the Senate/Congress. Were emergency declaration to prevail in this clearly-not-an-emergency case, the President's power is greatly strengthened and checks and balances are reduced. For all time.

That isn't something anyone wants to see happen but since Pelosi is such an ass about one dollar for a wall it forces the president's hand.  I know this is over your heads.  But both sides should seek a negotiated bi-partisan agreement that avoids a government shut down or Trump having to use the emergency declaration.

 

I want to let you libtards in on something.  The founders of this country and the constitution never envisioned some ass hat house leader literally shutting down the government over this or any issue.  The libs have lied (voted for barriers before) and made up stories about how walls don't work (to the point of sounding like lunatics).  IMO the POWER of the speaker of the house to usurp the elected president's position is what is a concern.  The Republicans hold two of the three branches of government and 199 of the 435 seats in the house (46%).  But to you libtards that means the Dems have all the power?  Really?   

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52O   
1 hour ago, Legaltitan said:

I have been meaning to ask - are there any rumors that Graham is gay? Because he sort of seems like he's gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

His name is Lindsay. Obviously gay 

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WG53   
3 hours ago, Soxcat said:

That isn't something anyone wants to see happen but since Pelosi is such an ass about one dollar for a wall it forces the president's hand.  I know this is over your heads.  But both sides should seek a negotiated bi-partisan agreement that avoids a government shut down or Trump having to use the emergency declaration.

 

I want to let you libtards in on something.  The founders of this country and the constitution never envisioned some ass hat house leader literally shutting down the government over this or any issue.  The libs have lied (voted for barriers before) and made up stories about how walls don't work (to the point of sounding like lunatics).  IMO the POWER of the speaker of the house to usurp the elected president's position is what is a concern.  The Republicans hold two of the three branches of government and 199 of the 435 seats in the house (46%).  But to you libtards that means the Dems have all the power?  Really?   

The president shutdown the government. Not the house. You goddamn partisan hack moron.

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3 hours ago, begooode said:

Like the one they had in December before Trump destroyed all pretenses of good faith and negotiation and demanded the US taxpayers accommodate his untenable campaign promise that >60% don't want and is only supported by the fear-stoking state TV that is Fox.

Oops...Sox just got bitch slapped with the truth

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6 hours ago, Jamalisms said:

An opinion piece, but one I generally agree with. Partisan, ends-driven governance is toxic. Not only to the moment but to the institution itself. It actively corrupts the ability to given responsibly in the future and undermines the institution these people serve.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/581500/

 

 

The man has done a complete 180 on Trump. Which begs the 64,000 dollar question: why?

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Btowner   

Last week, George Will has a similar opinion piece. Why do people such as Lindsey Graham come to Congress?

 

"In 2015, he said Donald Trump was a “jackass.” In February 2016, he said: “I’m not going to try to get into the mind of Donald Trump, because I don’t think there’s a whole lot of space there. I think he’s a kook, I think he’s crazy, I think he’s unfit for office.” And: “I’m a Republican and he’s not. He’s not a conservative Republican. He’s an opportunist.” Today, Graham, paladin of conservatism and scourge of opportunism, says building the border wall is an existential matter for the GOP: “If we undercut the president, that’s the end of his presidency and the end of our party.” 

 

"During the government shutdown, Graham’s tergiversations — sorry, this is the precise word — have amazed. On a recent day, in 90 minutes he went from “I don’t know” whether the president has the power to declare an emergency and divert into wall-building funds appropriated by Congress for other purposes, to “Time for President . . . to use emergency powers to build Wall.” The next day, he scrambled up the escalation ladder by using capitalization: “Declare a national emergency NOW. Build a wall NOW.” Two days later, he scampered down a few rungs, calling for his hero to accept a short-term funding measure to open the government while wall negotiations continue. Stay tuned for more acrobatics."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-do-people-such-as-lindsey-graham-come-to-congress/2019/01/23/9830a174-1e68-11e9-8e21-59a09ff1e2a1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.115c534c5923

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reo   
6 hours ago, Jamalisms said:

Leverage for his party or the institution he serves on?

 

The point I was trying to make is that his support for bypassing the Senate on this eroded the power of the Senate/Congress. Were emergency declaration to prevail in this clearly-not-an-emergency case, the President's power is greatly strengthened and checks and balances are reduced. For all time.

This isn't really about leverage. He knows they don't have any.

 

Its about him being spineless. He knows that if they push for this then they probably shut down the government again. And in order not to piss off his base, he'll have to support it for a while.

 

But he also knows they have no leverage so that means they'll end up caving to the Dems in the end either with trump on something he'd then take a lot of the blame for or worse, against trump by voting for something that's veto proof to reopen the gov which would piss off his base.

 

So he'd much rather trump try a national emergency bc then it'd be all on Trump. The Senate could just pass a clean CR and he could just talk tough against the Dems for his base while passing off the subject for the courts to decide as he kicks the can down the road. 

 

Aka he's being gutless. 

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OzTitan   

Trump shut down the government. You can't ask for something, have a tantrum when you don't get it, and then blame those who didn't give it to you for *your* actions *you* took when having the tantrum.

 

Even if what you asked for is reasonable, how you react is still *your* actions. Own them.

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9 hours ago, 9 Nines said:

Senator Graham is now urging President Trump to tie raising the debt ceiling to getting his wall. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/29/politics/lindsey-graham-debt-ceiling-border-deal-talks/index.html

Democrats should honestly impeach McConnell if they do that...

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