charleytolar Posted January 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Denali said: ???? The point I was making was that our first two picks were QBs, and that maybe that's what should be done when searching for a franchise QB Oh yeah, totally in on that. The point I was making was that, after Pastorini at 1-3, Lynn Dickey at 3-56 was the NEXT QB taken by any team in the whole draft: And what happened a couple of years later? The Oilers turned that "wasted" pick on a backup QB into... "On April 2, 1976 a long-delayed trade between the Green Bay Packers and Houston Oilers was announced. The Packers sent QB John Hadl, CB Ken Ellis, and two draft choices (fourth round in ’76, third round in ’77) to Houston for QB Lynn Dickey." We got the 3rd Round pick expended for Dickey back plus a 4th plus a couple of players who probably held down roster spots for a couple of years. Hadl had been an early star in the league but was on his last legs. Edited January 5, 2019 by charleytolar Denali 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denali Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, charleytolar said: Oh yeah, totally in on that. The point I was making was that, after Pastorini at 1-3, Lynn Dickey at 3-56 was the NEXT QB taken by any team in the whole draft: And what happened a couple of years later? The Oilers turned that "wasted" pick on a backup QB into... "On April 2, 1976 a long-delayed trade between the Green Bay Packers and Houston Oilers was announced. The Packers sent QB John Hadl, CB Ken Ellis, and two draft choices (fourth round in ’76, third round in ’77) to Houston for QB Lynn Dickey." We got the 3rd Round pick expended for Dickey back plus a 4th plus a couple of players who probably held down roster spots for a couple of years. Hadl had been an early star in the league but was on his last legs. Excellent point. Unless they totally bomb out, QBs always have trade value in their first few seasons anyway, so a good strategy might be to overload on QBs in the draft, and then later on trade away the ones you don't need. Given the relative importance of QBs compared to the rest of the positions, I'm surprised that teams don't try to do this. And in Dante's book, he talked about how them also drafting Dickey really lit a candle under his ass. Edited January 5, 2019 by Denali charleytolar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted January 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Denali said: Given the relative importance of QBs compared to the rest of the positions, I'm surprised that teams don't try to do this. It's only been about 40 years to pass between Dickey being traded and Garroppolo! There have probably been others. Early on, when RG3 was viable, there was talk about trading Cousins, however RG3 got injured and was never the man again. The Redskins took Frerotte and Shuler in the same draft and Frerotte ended up being the better player. Shuler was so bad they couldn't even trade him! If I were a GM, I'd over-draft QBs so you don't have to wait 10-12 years to find another decent one.... Edited January 5, 2019 by charleytolar nine, and Denali 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, charleytolar said: Sure you can. I'm not saying his whole career, but he was a dynamic and dangerous QB at times for stretches (ROY and twice named to the Pro Bowl). He certainly flamed out. Peyton Manning's rookie year overall was not stellar, but the "greatness" of his career outlasted VY's by a factor of 12 or so. Typical VY nutswinger argument. He was never named to the pro bowl. He was the 4th alternate. Basically all the other QBs were hurt or declined. He flashed for a handful of games his entire career. He never performed like you claim "top notch qb play". Even the Cardinals game he had to have deflected passes caught by receivers to keep the drive alive. Edited January 5, 2019 by WG53 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Aside from GB and Indy hitting the jackpot on back to back great QB's, most everyone else is hit and miss albeit people forget both teams went through QB's before Favre and Manning emerged. One huge problem is that the college game does not prepare QB's for NFL game speed or the ability to throw a ball to a covered receiver and still get it because the throw is not defendable. Granted, more teams are adapting spread concepts, pro offense rule enforcement, and scheme guys wide open - hence the rise in young QB's coming in and having success right away. Eventually, though, the defense adjusts and the good QB's survive because they can consistently throw accurate passes whether it be from the pocket or outside the pocket and to receivers that are not necessarily open when the ball is thrown. Teams still have to try though until they hit the jackpot. Seattle is a great example. Carroll inherited Hasselbeck at the end of his career and knew he needed a long-term solution in 2010. They traded for Clipboard Jesus (Whitehurst), who failed miserably. They signed Tavaris Jackson in 2011 - fail. They signed Matt Flynn to a big contract yet still drafted Russell Wilson the same year. Wilson panned out. Still, they supposedly loved Mahomes and were considering picking him if he slid to their spot in 2017. The Titans need to keep chopping wood here. Hedge against Mariota and if the light does come on for Marcus, you have a trading chip in hand. Denali 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted January 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, BudAdams said: Aside from GB and Indy hitting the jackpot on back to back great QB's... Green Bay hit the jackpot on Favre because Ron Wolfe, who drafted Favre early in the 2nd Round for the Falcons took a job with the Packers and traded a 1st Round pick for Favre to bring him to Green Bay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, charleytolar said: Green Bay hit the jackpot on Favre because Ron Wolfe, who drafted Favre early in the 2nd Round for the Falcons took a job with the Packers and traded a 1st Round pick for Favre to bring him to Green Bay Fully aware of that but it still doesn't take away from the fact that they had consecutive HOF caliber QB's which is extremely rare Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted January 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, JoelinBellevue said: You got me. I thought San Diego had the #1 pick that year. Thanks for the correction. Minor detail. Colts GM Bill Polian has been on record saying it was a close decision and that there was a split in the vote. TNTitans 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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