kyle021 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Look. Trading Mack was dumb, but they saved a lot of money and got a lot of picks. Including a 1 in a draft loaded with pass rushers they traded Cooper who struggled in Oakland to a team at the time who was 4-5 and looked to be picking top 15 then they have their own first rounder which is practically top 3 protected. Last year they drafted Kolton Miller who is physically gifted and raw and needs some time to get the nuances down and can be a very good LT and then drafted Hurst at DT and Key at DE they sold off their talent and have three first round picks. I can see Gruden trading back from #2 overall and hauling in more capital for this year and next year and staying in the top 10-15 and acquiring an additional 1 next year and a 2nd this year plus a player. Then you look at the draft. Wouldnt you love to have 3 first rounders and a few extra mid rounders in a draft like this? Surely not at the expense of Mack, or Cooper as of late, but the deal is done and the draft is rich so even Stevie Wonder could pick a few stars in this draft. Gruden very well, without trading back, could replace Mack with Ferrell/Adams/Bosa and use the other two first rounders on a player like Devin White or Mack Wilson at MLB and a WR like Harry, Brown or Harmon with the other first and at the top of round 2 get another inside pass rusher or a RB like Harris or Henderson to make a more formidable team for 100+ million dollars cheaper and bring in a bunch of quality players in FA who are in their prime or just hitting it. He came in and shipped off players for big draft capital in arguably the best defensive draft in the last 20 years. I actually think hindsight 20/20 if he bats 3/3 with those three first rounders or 4:4 with those four top 35 picks... he may be quietly and controversially building something special. His contract is 10 years and I think in 2-3 years we start to see what and why he did what he did. We we could laugh at it now, but hate it later. Although you could say trading Khalil Mack was dumb and they shoulda payed him and letting Cooper walk was meh bc no one saw him doing in Dallas what he is doing. He could’ve kept Mack, and paired Mack with Bosa, Key, Hurst or dropped back and paired Mack with Williams/Oliver in the first plus his picks last year and acquire more draft captial to get where he is now with Mack. Im sure someone like GB would’ve traded both firsts to move up to the 2nd spot to secure Adams/Ferrell/Bosa and he still would’ve walked away with Mack and 3 firsts that could have consisted of Oliver, White and a WR on top of getting a RB in 2 and few players in 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleEye Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Looks like the Pats way of handling a roster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Every coach dreams of being Jimmy Johnson. Trade to get a ton of picks and build a team with them. He saw a team with a basic structure and assists he could trade for a ton of picks. Might work. Might not. But there's no great forethought or anything. I doubt he's even looked at the draft yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 One first rounder doesn't seem fair compensation for an elite defender like Mack. Who cares about WR, but pass rushers win games. TNTitans, and woolfolksunclesuncle 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former_Fan Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Gruden will be begging for his TV job back by 2020 lol. OILERMAN, SuperFreak90, SleepingTitan, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 gruden is gonna be a disaster. coaches with that much control almost always fail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 If Kyle thinks Gruden has a plan, then ... woolfolksunclesuncle, and SleepingTitan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle021 Posted December 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, abenjami said: If Kyle thinks Gruden has a plan, then ... I really have a master mock! Supernope 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle021 Posted December 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Seriously it’ll be fun doing mocks after this year and this loaded class Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 If they trade Carr and are able to get more than a 1st for him, I think Gruden will do well. Everyone freaked out about the Mack trade. But the broncos paid Von Miller and look where it’s gotten them. Having elite skill position players doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have a good qb and oline. Paying Mack would just be a waste of his prime. So right now he’s got 3 1sts this year and 2 next year. If he’s able to get that to 4 firsts this year and 3 next year with a Carr trade it would be insane. He could potentially draft 6 potential pro bowlers and get Tua next year. Obviously that’s all dependent on scouting and luck. But you’d assume with 5 first round picks at least 3 would be stars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, Thrill said: If they trade Carr and are able to get more than a 1st for him, I think Gruden will do well. Everyone freaked out about the Mack trade. But the broncos paid Von Miller and look where it’s gotten them. Having elite skill position players doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have a good qb and oline. Paying Mack would just be a waste of his prime. So right now he’s got 3 1sts this year and 2 next year. If he’s able to get that to 4 firsts this year and 3 next year with a Carr trade it would be insane. He could potentially draft 6 potential pro bowlers and get Tua next year. Obviously that’s all dependent on scouting and luck. But you’d assume with 5 first round picks at least 3 would be stars. Gruden didn't exactly make the best personnel decisions during the latter half of his TB coaching stint. titanruss, SleepingTitan, and EagleEye 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 established star players > draft picks Gruden is either stupid and can't evaluate talent or the Raiders have cash flow problems. begooode, Flarb, and OILERMAN 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Carr for a 1st? Who would do it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcibiades Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 I think the Jags could trade for Carr, and it would be super smart. He could thrive there. But they won't do it. The Jags are inept. As for Gruden, IDK....it may be a loaded class, but look at how Cooper and Mack of transformed the units where they landed. Chicago's defense may be the best in the league, and the Cowboys suddenly have a passing attack. Gruden couldn't have made that work? Kinda hard to believe. But sure, let's give up two sure-fire pro bowlers for two potential players. Number9, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Since we are talking about QBs, how high did you think the Titans go picking a backup? We'll be getting into this later, but this is a good team. Baltimore is winning with a rookie while Flacco is out. We have too much talent to not have a backup who can win games. The Titans lost their top two pass catchers from last season and are making a run at the playoffs. If Mariota had to miss a game or two we are done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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