Little Earl Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 1. A sitting president CANNOT be indicted. That’s official DOJ policy since 1973. Neither the Special Counsel nor the SDNY nor Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein can defy that 45-year-old policy. 2. SDNY is NOT expert in campaign finance violations and neither is the Clinton appointed district judge. They rarely handle campaign finance cases. The left-wing media and politicians are regurgitating what the prosecutors have merely filed in their own self-serving brief. The media and others intentionally refuse to look at the actual rules and context. They refuse to even question what these prosecutors have thrown together. 3. The actual campaign rules and context do NOT include Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDAs) or infinite other contracts, payments, arrangements, acts of a private nature, etc. as campaign contributions. This is normal human behavior and was never intended to be regulated or reported. SDNY is dead wrong. And these private payments can be made in any manner or any amount. Again, they’re private payments involving private matters. To underscore, there’s no reporting requirement because they’re not campaign payments made with or without campaign funds. 4. SDNY inclusion of these charges in the Cohen plea deal was a sleazy political and PR attack against the president by an office coordinating with Mueller and aligned with Comey. SDNY knew Cohen would plead. It therefore knew its absurd allegations would not be tested in any courtroom — district, circuit or Supreme Court. If they were tested, SDNY would be hammered like a nail. But it knew the left-wing media and politicians would use the mere over-the-top allegations from its office, with absolutely nothing more, to claim the president committed campaign felonies. No due process. No assumption of innocence. They knew they couldn’t charge a sitting president. Thus, they convict the president in the press, not only an extreme act of professional misconduct but a violation of the very purpose of the DOJ memos banning the indictment of a sitting president while effectively indicting him in the court of public opinion, and watch as untold numbers of media personalities and former members of the SDNY, among others, use this dirty work to predict or demand the president’s indictment and/or impeachment. 5. As for impeachment, NDAs involving wholly private matters occurring before the president was even a candidate and completely unrelated to his office cannot legitimately trigger the constitution’s impeachment clause. Indeed, they could not be more irrelevant. The history of the clause and its “high crimes and misdemeanors” language make it crystal clear that the office and the president’s duties are not affected in any conceivable way by these earlier private contracts. Of course, Jerrold Nadler, another NYC radical, could not care less. He’s more than thrilled to be an executioner in this French Revolution redux. The Constitution be damned. Meanwhile, he and the others wave around the Constitution as if they’re defending it against a tyrant. It is they who are the tyrants. Mark Levin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CreepingDeath Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Team before country. Got it. reo, and Omar 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakingeek Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Trump has believed himself to be above the law his entire life. That's obvious from his longtime business practices. He didn't expect to win the presidency. When he did win, it was "Business as usual...full speed ahead." You can't do that. Politics is NOT business. It's called CONFLICT OF INTEREST. He has USED the office of the presidency to further expand his business. He costs the American taxpayers millions of dollars every month because he spends so much time at properties he owns, so all the secret service and the rest of the entourage have to stay at his hotels, all being paid for by taxpayers. He and Jared have used the office of the presidency to cultivate NEW business opportunities WHILE IN OFFICE, while being paid by the American taxpayers. He may not be impeached but IF he isn't, they will nail his family and the day that his replacement is sworn in, the Feds will be standing by waiting to arrest him. It isn't the Dems that screwed Trump. Trump screwed himself. thor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Legaltitan Posted December 11, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, Little Earl said: 1. A sitting president CANNOT be indicted. That’s official DOJ policy since 1973. Neither the Special Counsel nor the SDNY nor Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein can defy that 45-year-old policy. That is the policy. Not the law. Policies can change. Ultimately it would be up for SCOTUS to determine. 2. SDNY is NOT expert in campaign finance violations and neither is the Clinton appointed district judge. They rarely handle campaign finance cases. What are babbling about? Courts and judges are experts in the law. Federal courts and federal judges are experts in federal law. I have never in my 20+ year legal career heard someone refer to a court of general jurisdiction as an "expert" or "non expert" in a particular set of laws. The left-wing media and politicians are regurgitating what the prosecutors have merely filed in their own self-serving brief. Ok - since they only thing we know is what has been filed, and since you guys are so hung up on "FAKE NEWS!1" shouldn't the court filing be the only thing that is reported on/discussed? The media and others intentionally refuse to look at the actual rules and context. What are the "rules" and "context" that you believe people are not looking at? Please list them. They refuse to even question what these prosecutors have thrown together. People are asking lots of questions. The questions that are being asked are bad for Trump, not good. Questions like, what are all these documents that are referred to that back up what Cohen says? What are all these redacted parts? Things like that. 3. The actual campaign rules and context do NOT include Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDAs) or infinite other contracts, payments, arrangements, acts of a private nature, etc. as campaign contributions. This is word salad that means nothing. This is normal human behavior and was never intended to be regulated or reported. SDNY is dead wrong. Who do you believe "SDNY" is, and what do you believe they did wrong? And these private payments can be made in any manner or any amount. Incorrect. The term you are looking for is "in kind" contribution. Look it up. But the bigger problem is the fact this money was reported incorrectly and funneled through shell corporations to obscure its origins. Of course that proves the lie you have put here that there was "nothing wrong with these payments," else why go through such lengths to hide them? The bigger problem is this is literally what money laundering and bank fraud looks like. It is illegal to obscure and lie about the true nature of payments. Again, they’re private payments involving private matters. To underscore, there’s no reporting requirement because they’re not campaign payments made with or without campaign funds. Ask John Edwards what he thinks about that. 4. SDNY inclusion of these charges in the Cohen plea deal was a sleazy political and PR attack against the president by an office coordinating with Mueller and aligned with Comey. And by a US Attorney hand-picked by President Trump when he fired the other one. SDNY knew Cohen would plead. Of course they did. Good prosecutors get all the facts buttoned down, then go to the perp, and when the perp sees they are dead to rights, they cooperate. It therefore knew its absurd allegations would not be tested in any courtroom — district, circuit or Supreme Court. The exact opposite is true. Because these court filings relate to Trump and the broader OSC investigation, they will be scrutinized, challenged and fought against by a whole host of lawyers and politicians. If they were tested, SDNY would be hammered like a nail. Guess we will find out. But it knew the left-wing media and politicians would use the mere over-the-top allegations from its office, with absolutely nothing more, to claim the president committed campaign felonies. No due process. Who is it you believe has been denied due process, and how? No assumption of innocence. The assumption of innocence applies to a jury sitting in judgment of an accused. It doesn't apply to anyone else. As Giuliani likes to always point out, this is a political issue not a legal one because it is a sitting President. Thee things may never be tested in an actual criminal trial. Didn't you just say above that Trump can't be charged? You've talked yourself in a circle. They knew they couldn’t charge a sitting president. Thus, they convict the president in the press, not only an extreme act of professional misconduct but a violation of the very purpose of the DOJ memos banning the indictment of a sitting president while effectively indicting him in the court of public opinion, and watch as untold numbers of media personalities and former members of the SDNY, among others, use this dirty work to predict or demand the president’s indictment and/or impeachment. Man if only the President had some sort of platform on which to defend himself, and access to a news network that would amplify his message. Alas, he is totally helpless! I am certain that you were this concerned about Hillary being tried in the court of public opinion. You know, since she has never been charged with any crime. 5. As for impeachment, NDAs involving wholly private matters occurring before the president was even a candidate and completely unrelated to his office cannot legitimately trigger the constitution’s impeachment clause. Indeed, they could not be more irrelevant. The history of the clause and its “high crimes and misdemeanors” language make it crystal clear that the office and the president’s duties are not affected in any conceivable way by these earlier private contracts. Show me where it says that. Also, I am assuming you were just as concerned with an Indpendent Counsel was appointed to investigate the Whitewater land deal, you know, that private contractual matter that occurred before Clinton became President? Also, I would assume you would agree any acts taken to further illegal conduct AFTER he became President would be fair game, correct? Of course, Jerrold Nadler, another NYC radical, could not care less. He’s more than thrilled to be an executioner in this French Revolution redux. Lol drama queen much. Nadler can't do a damn thing. The House as a whole votes on impeachment. And then the President gets a trial in front of the Senate. The Constitution be damned. Meanwhile, he and the others wave around the Constitution as if they’re defending it against a tyrant. It is they who are the tyrants. Mark Levin pamo9, freakingeek, IsntLifeFunny, and 6 others 1 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted December 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 The main point you should get from this is that you guys had A bid circle jerk when Cohen pleaded guilty to a crime with the payments to the two women. There was no crime and Trump is in no danger of getting in trouble for it. If anything it is showing the massive hypocrisy of the left. Obama actually committed campaign finance laws and only got a slap on the wrist. And then with Trump if he had used campaign funds to pay off the women, the left would have howled campaign violation for not using private funds. But since he used his own money, the left tries to make up shit to go against him. And you guys lap it up. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Refuting campaign finance violations while the number of Trump campaign officials who met with Russians is rising, while a Russian agent is helping prosecutions on possible Russian money going to the NRA and many republican candidates, while state and federal prosecutors are investigating the Trump organization for crimes, while the House is gearing up for proper oversight of the current corrupt Administration that cannot even get someone to be Chief of Staff? That would be like throwing a challenge flag on whether a a play resulted in a first down, while you QB is being taken off the field with a broken arm, the backup QB falls down, breaking his leg, while warming up, your offensive and defensive coordinators just got arrested after getting into fights with fans, and the stadium just caught on fire. Yeah, maybe you will win the challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 The Red Pen is back! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, 9 Nines said: Refuting campaign finance violations while the number of Trump campaign officials who met with Russians is rising, while a Russian agent is helping prosecutions on possible Russian money going to the NRA and many republican candidates, while state and federal prosecutors are investigating the Trump organization for crimes, while the House is gearing up for proper oversight of the current corrupt Administration that cannot even get someone to be Chief of Staff? That would be like throwing a challenge flag on whether a a play resulted in a first down, while you QB is being taken off the field with a broken arm, the backup QB falls down, breaking his leg, while warming up, your offensive and defensive coordinators just got arrested after getting into fights with fans, and the stadium just caught on fire. Yeah, maybe you will win the challenge. Legal has officially taken your job as the Red, which makes sense since he's a ginger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Little Earl said: The main point you should get from this is that you guys had A bid circle jerk when Cohen pleaded guilty to a crime with the payments to the two women. There was no crime and Trump is in no danger of getting in trouble for it. If anything it is showing the massive hypocrisy of the left. Obama actually committed campaign finance laws and only got a slap on the wrist. And then with Trump if he had used campaign funds to pay off the women, the left would have howled campaign violation for not using private funds. But since he used his own money, the left tries to make up shit to go against him. And you guys lap it up. You do understand that context is a real thing, yes? If Trump were only being investigated for this matter it would be an entirely different story. He isn't. He, his team, his family, his businesses, and his charity are being investigated on multiple fronts, for multiple crimes, and for conspiracy against the United States and its electorate. pamo9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 The way everything is going President Trump, feeling insulted that no one will be his Chief of Staff, might blackmail someone to take the job, creating another crime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 “If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell” ― Carl Sandburg OILERMAN, reo, freakingeek, and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post begooode Posted December 11, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Gotdamn, I think Legal just went 99 yards on LilEarl's post with several stiffarms on the way. reo, 1yardshort, IsntLifeFunny, and 2 others 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Legal has been distributing the hell out of some ownage lately. This one was definitely a thing of beauty. reo, and begooode 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Still laughing at the OP title, like the TRUTH suddenly became Trump's friend after he's abused it all his life. LOFL! reo, Btowner, and freakingeek 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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